XPost: alt.talk.royalty, alt.politics.british, alt.society.monarchy   
   From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca   
      
   In article ,   
   Louis Epstein   wrote:   
   >As forecast last time,the Queen has now indeed reigned   
   >for most of the time since Neville Chamberlain entered   
   >his teens,and since less than a year after the assassination   
   >of Alexander II of Russia.   
   >   
   >This is the first update of this year,and the 70th   
   >anniversary of the reign is fast approaching...other   
   >milestones to expect this year are   
   >   
   >HM's 96th birthday in April   
   >   
   >The present reign outlasting the COMBINED reigns of   
   >William IV and Victoria (June 26 1830 to January 22 1901)   
   >   
   >The present reign outlasting the entire lifetime of George V   
   >(June 3 1865 to January 20 1936)(It has already outlasted   
   >the lifespans of George IV and Edward VII and others)   
   >   
   >The Duke of Cambridge reaching the age at which George VI   
   >became Heir Presumptive(December 14 1895 to January 20 1936)   
   >   
   >Here is the present state of the file.   
   >   
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   >   
   >Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire   
   >as they were on March 12th 1882.   
   >   
   >Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 63,was on the throne;   
   >she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee   
   >would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under   
   >5 months past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 7 weeks past 73),   
   >the future George V was over 2 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is   
   >over 6 months past 39--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all   
   >his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet   
   >Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder   
   >brother (who had over nine and a half years to live) yet 19.   
   >The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was   
   >Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law   
   >the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with   
   >over seven years to live.   
   >   
   >The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,   
   >Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,   
   >St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet   
   >exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,   
   >or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of   
   >Liverpool was under 2 years old.   
   >   
   >Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,   
   >Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was seven years old,   
   >and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)   
   >had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).   
   >Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish   
   >Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour   
   >Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over   
   >a decade.   
   >   
   >William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been   
   >Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government   
   >had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884   
   >(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would   
   >be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish   
   >the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into   
   >effect with the following election.   
   >Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.   
   >Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,   
   >had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles   
   >James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).   
   >   
   >Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been   
   >the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished   
   >by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,   
   >sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal   
   >Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old   
   >Bailey would not open for decades.   
   >   
   >Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a   
   >decade from adding the New Territories.   
   >   
   >Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII   
   >had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in   
   >an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.   
   >Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,   
   >some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,   
   >and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone   
   >for the final time.   
   >   
   >The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born   
   >1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and   
   >Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);   
   >Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805   
   >nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to   
   >"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of   
   >Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,   
   >and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had   
   >taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS   
   >Chesapeake in 1813.   
   >The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,   
   >while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan   
   >(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the   
   >Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804   
   >had yet to receive promotion to that rank.   
   >   
   >The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,   
   >great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)   
   >the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather   
   >of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),   
   >the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the   
   >present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and   
   >a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,   
   >succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-   
   >grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,   
   >second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),   
   >and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).   
   >The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the   
   >Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.   
   >The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be   
   >succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the   
   >great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).   
   >The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-   
   >great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the   
   >3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the   
   >great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his   
   >predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,   
   >a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the   
      
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