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   JD Young to Louis Epstein   
   Re: FINAL "Consider This..." (1/2)   
   11 Sep 22 14:48:26   
   
   From: jondyoungsaddictioncounselor@gmail.com   
      
   On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 12:35:17 PM UTC-5, Louis Epstein wrote:   
   > In alt.talk.royalty Louis Epstein  wrote:   
   > >   
   > > The Queen is dead,long live the King.   
   > >   
   > > The midpoint of her reign was May 24th 1987.   
   > A final milestone achieved a few days before Her Majesty's   
   > death was the length of her reign exceeding that of the   
   > combined and consecutive reigns of William IV and Victoria   
   > (June 26th 1830 to January 22nd 1901).   
   >   
   > Her Majesty lived 35,204 days,which would be matched by   
   > Charles III on April 3,2045   
   > the Prince of Wales on November 8,2078   
   > Prince George on December 10,2109   
   >   
   > Of course,if they could match Prince Philip's or the   
   > late Queen Mother's lifespan,they would live longer.   
   > > A final posting of this:   
   > >   
   > > Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire   
   > > as they were on July 8th 1881.   
   > >   
   > > Queen Victoria,under 7 weeks past 62,was on the throne;   
   > > she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee   
   > > would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than 4   
   > > months short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 74),   
   > > the future George V was only 5 weeks past 16(the Duke of Cambridge is   
   > > over 2 months past 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all   
   > > his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now,and George VI   
   > > was Heir Presumptive at the Duke's present age),not yet Duke of York,   
   > > and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder   
   > > brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.   
   > > The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was   
   > > Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law   
   > > the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with   
   > > over seven and a half years to live.   
   > >   
   > > The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,   
   > > Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,   
   > > St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet   
   > > exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,   
   > > or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of   
   > > Liverpool was under a year and a half old.   
   > >   
   > > Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,   
   > > Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,   
   > > and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)   
   > > had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).   
   > > Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish   
   > > Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour   
   > > Party proper,was aged twenty-four and would not be an MP for over   
   > > a decade.   
   > >   
   > > William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been   
   > > Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government   
   > > had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884   
   > > (which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would   
   > > be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish   
   > > the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into   
   > > effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law   
   > > for nine years).   
   > > Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.   
   > > Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,   
   > > had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles   
   > > James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).   
   > >   
   > > Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been   
   > > the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished   
   > > by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,   
   > > sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal   
   > > Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old   
   > > Bailey would not open for decades.   
   > >   
   > > Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a   
   > > decade from adding the New Territories.   
   > >   
   > > Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII   
   > > had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in   
   > > an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.   
   > > Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,   
   > > some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training   
   functions,   
   > > and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone   
   > > for the final time.   
   > >   
   > > The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born   
   > > 1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and   
   > > Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);   
   > > Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805   
   > > nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to   
   > > "The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of   
   > > Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,   
   > > and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had   
   > > taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS   
   > > Chesapeake in 1813.   
   > > The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,   
   > > while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan   
   > > (born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the   
   > > Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804   
   > > had yet to receive promotion to that rank.   
   > >   
   > > The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,   
   > > great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)   
   > > the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather   
   > > of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),   
   > > the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the   
   > > present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and   
   > > a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,   
   > > succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-   
   > > grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,   
   > > second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th   
   Duke),   
   > > and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).   
   > > The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the   
   > > Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.   
   > > The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be   
      
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