XPost: alt.talk.royalty, alt.politics.british, alt.society.monarchy
From: le@top.put.com
In alt.talk.royalty Louis Epstein wrote:
>
> The Queen is dead,long live the King.
>
> The midpoint of her reign was May 24th 1987.
A final milestone achieved a few days before Her Majesty's
death was the length of her reign exceeding that of the
combined and consecutive reigns of William IV and Victoria
(June 26th 1830 to January 22nd 1901).
Her Majesty lived 35,204 days,which would be matched by
Charles III on April 3,2045
the Prince of Wales on November 8,2078
Prince George on December 10,2109
Of course,if they could match Prince Philip's or the
late Queen Mother's lifespan,they would live longer.
> A final posting of this:
>
> Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
> as they were on July 8th 1881.
>
> Queen Victoria,under 7 weeks past 62,was on the throne;
> she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
> would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than 4
> months short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 74),
> the future George V was only 5 weeks past 16(the Duke of Cambridge is
> over 2 months past 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
> his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now,and George VI
> was Heir Presumptive at the Duke's present age),not yet Duke of York,
> and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
> brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
> The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
> Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
> the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
> over seven and a half years to live.
>
> The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
> Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
> St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
> exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
> or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
> Liverpool was under a year and a half old.
>
> Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
> Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
> and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
> had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
> Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
> Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
> Party proper,was aged twenty-four and would not be an MP for over
> a decade.
>
> William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
> Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
> had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
> (which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
> be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
> the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
> effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
> for nine years).
> Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
> Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
> had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
> James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
>
> Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
> the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
> by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
> sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
> Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
> Bailey would not open for decades.
>
> Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
> decade from adding the New Territories.
>
> Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
> had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
> an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
> Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
> some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
> and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
> for the final time.
>
> The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
> 1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
> Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
> Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
> nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
> "The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
> Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
> and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
> taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
> Chesapeake in 1813.
> The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
> while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
> (born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
> Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
> had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
>
> The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
> great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
> the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
> of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
> the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
> present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
> a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
> succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
> grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
> second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
> and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
> The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
> Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
> The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
> succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
> great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
> The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
> great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
> 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
> great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
> predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
> a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
> septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
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