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   06 Aug 23 09:18:06   
   
   From: efb.otr@yahoo.com   
      
   On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:14:00 PM UTC-4, NOT jdyöung wrote:   
   > by Jürgen Graf    
   >    
   > A brilliant author and historian    
   >    
   > English historian David Irving has several admirable qualities:    
   >    
   > He is a tireless researcher who has spent thousands of hours in the    
   > archives.    
   > He is an excellent historian of the Second World War. Some of his    
   > books, such as Hitler’s War and Churchill’s War, will be read as long    
   > as there will be people who are interested in this dark and dramatic    
   > period of history.    
   > He is a master of the English language, both as a writer and as an    
   > orator.    
   > In the sixties and the early seventies, Irving’s brilliance was widely    
   > recognized. While many establishment historians disliked the young    
   > maverick, few of them denied his talent. He was so good that the media    
   > begrudgingly forgave him for what was perceived as covert sympathies    
   > for Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich. Even in Germany, he was    
   > repeatedly invited to television discussions where he impressed the    
   > public with his historical knowledge and his fluency in the German    
   > language.    
   >    
   > With regard to the “Final Solution of the Jewish Question,” Irving    
   > accepted the official version as a matter of course; he never wrote a    
   > book or even an article about the subject.    
   >    
   > “Hitler’s War”    
   > During his work on Hitler’s War, David Irving studied a significant    
   > number of German war-time documents. With growing amazement he    
   > realized that none of these countless documents proved that Hitler had    
   > ordered the extermination of the Jews. More amazing was the fact that    
   > the documents contained no evidence that Hitler was even aware of a    
   > plan to exterminate Europe’s Jews.    
   >    
   > At that time, Irving must have been aware that there were researchers    
   > who disputed the official version of the Jews' fate during World War    
   > Two. Arthur Butz’s The Hoax of the Twentieth Century had come out in    
   > 1976, a year before Hitler’s War. It seems unlikely that Irving was    
   > not aware of this book and its thesis. At any rate, Irving failed to    
   > draw the only logical conclusion from the total lack of documentary    
   > evidence for the “Holocaust,” and concluded instead that the    
   > extermination of the Jews had been ordered and organized by the    
   > Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler without Hitler’s knowing. In Hitler’s    
   > War, Irving wrote:    
   >    
   > “By 1942, the massacre machinery was gathering momentum – of such    
   > refinement and devilish ingenuity that from Himmler down to the    
   > ex-lawyers who ran the extermination camps perhaps only seventy men    
   > were aware of the truth.“[1]    
   > To this wildly implausible thesis, Robert Faurisson raised the    
   > following objection:    
   >    
   > “Borrowing a comparison from David Irving, I can certainly believe    
   > that Menachem Begin could have been unaware of the massacre of the    
   > Sabra and Shatila camps in Lebanon at the time it was taking place.    
   > Over a period of several hours, several hundred civilians were    
   > massacred. I do not know when Begin learned of the massacre, but I do    
   > know that, like everybody else in the world, he learned about it very    
   > quickly. If, however, instead of several hundred men, women and    
   > children being massacred in a few hours, we are considering the    
   > massacre of millions of men, women and children over a period of three    
   > or four years in the very heart of Europe, by which miracle could that    
   > heinous crime have been hidden from Hitler, Stalin, Churchill and    
   > Roosevelt, as well as Germany and all of Europe, except for perhaps    
   > only seventy men!”[2]    
   > Today, in 2009, this argument is as sound as it was in 1983!    
   >    
   > The Leuchter Report    
   > In April 1988, during the second Zündel trial in Toronto, David Irving    
   > learned that an American execution technologist, Fred Leuchter, who    
   > had been contacted by Ernst Zündel’s advisor Robert Faurisson, had    
   > flown to Poland with a small group of helpers in order to examine the    
   > alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz I, Auschwitz-Birkenau and    
   > Majdanek. Upon his return, Leuchter had written a report in which he    
   > concluded that these rooms could not have been used as gas chambers    
   > for technical reasons. More importantly, Leuchter and his team had    
   > taken samples from the walls inside the alleged gas chambers of    
   > Auschwitz I and Birkenau where, according to official historiography,    
   > huge numbers of Jews had been killed with Hydrogen Cyanide gas (Zyklon    
   > B). The samples were subsequently analyzed in an American laboratory.    
   > The tests revealed either no detection of traces of cyanide or    
   > extremely low levels, while a control sample taken from Delousing    
   > Facility No. 1 at Birkenau contained an exceedingly high percentage of    
   > cyanide.[3]    
   >    
   > The Leuchter report confirmed what David Irving must have suspected:    
   > The Auschwitz gas chamber story was a hoax. Irving now believed that    
   > the Holocaust story would collapse in the near future, and he decided    
   > to jump on the revisionist bandwagon. He, David Irving, whose genius    
   > the narrow-minded court historians stubbornly refused to acknowledge,    
   > would put them all to shame; he would be the first prominent historian    
   > to pillory the Auschwitz fraud. Towards the end of the Zündel trial,    
   > Irving appeared as a witness for the defense. He endorsed the Leuchter    
   > report, which he called a “shattering document.” In 1988 and 1989, he    
   > made several speeches disputing the existence of homicidal gas    
   > chambers at Auschwitz: one of these speeches, which he delivered on    
   > Austrian soil in 1989, would lead to his arrest and incarceration in    
   > Austria sixteen years later.    
   >    
   > Irving’s hope that the Leuchter report would lead to the immediate    
   > collapse of the Auschwitz gas chamber story did not materialize.    
   > Irving was viciously smeared by the media; his books disappeared from    
   > the bookshops; he sustained huge financial losses and ultimately was    
   > branded a “Holocaust denier.”    
   >    
   > David Irving v. Deborah Lipstadt    
   > After a particularly obnoxious representative of the Holocaust lobby,    
   > Deborah Lipstadt, had reviled Irving in her book Denying the Holocaust    
   > [4], he sued her for libel. The trial took place in London in early    
   > 2000. Although it was unlikely that Irving would win this case, he    
      
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