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   From: pah@nojunkmailplease.co.uk   
      
   In uk.media.tv.misc on Thu, 18 May 2006, allan connochie wrote :   
   >   
   >But 'you' said that Labour lost the election in England! When it is pointed   
   >out that Labour won a majority of English seats you claim they couldn't win   
   >an English election as no such thing exists. On that basis how could they   
   >lose the election in England? It doesn't make sense. Plain common sense says   
   >that if they won a majority of English seats then they won the election in   
   >England. No-one is claiming that it was a purely English election.   
      
   AFAICS, he must be referring to the fact that the Tories got a few   
   thousand more votes in England than Labour, despite winning fewer seats.   
   >>   
   >> The fact that you can't take away the Scottish, Welsh or Irish MP's when   
   >> voting on  purely English issues is exactly the problem.   
   >   
   >Well they could refrain from voting so it's possible. The point I was making   
   >was that it is often claimed that Labour have no real mandate in England.   
      
   That didn't stop the Tories inflicting the Poll Tax on Scotland...   
      
   >What we have at the moment is   
   >an untidy mess. Scotland had a massive democratic deficit brought to light   
   >by a Thatcher governemnt with no mandate within Scotland railroading highly   
   >unpopular policies on to Scotland. The system was actively working against   
   >Scottish interest and opinion.   
      
   The Tories thought they could tough it out, but got a rude awakening. :)   
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