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   From: allan@EASYNET.CO.UK   
      
   "Energy"  wrote in message   
   news:1153494917.551337.195250@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...   
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   > allan connochie wrote:   
   > > "Energy"  wrote in message   
   > > news:1153470982.979849.284790@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...   
   > > >   
   > > > Diarmid Logan wrote:   
   > > > >   
   > > > > There are a very high number of Germanic male-line ancestors in   
   > > > > England's current population. Genetic research has revealed the   
   > > > > country's gene pool contains between 50 and 100% Germanic   
   > > > > Y-chromosomes.   
   > > >   
   > > > Not true, or at least it has a misleading spin. The Weale et al study   
   > > > that I believe this figure is coming from only examined a small and   
   > > > untypical area of England that was subject to relatively high levels   
   of   
   > > > both Anglo Saxon and Danish Viking invasion. The later Goldstein et al   
   > > > study, as featured on the BBC television series "Blood of the   
   Vikings",   
   > > > had a much larger sample size and examined locations throughout the   
   > > > British Isles. By it's results the English are typically about 40%   
   > > > Anglo-Saxon / Viking on the male line. Such ancestry on the female   
   line   
   > > > is likely to be a good bit smaller. Iceland is about 80% Scandinavian   
   > > > on the male line but only 40% Scandinavian on the female line (about   
   > > > 60% Scandinavian overall). The English are therefore typically   
   probably   
   > > > something like 30% Anglo-Saxon / Viking in genetic origin.   
   > >   
   > > Plus the studies were based on a rather large assumption that the   
   genetic   
   > > marker for the Celtic tribes of eastern England etc were the same as the   
   > > markers from certain areas in modern day Ireland. Hence if that   
   assumption   
   > > is wrong, which they freely admit could well be so, then the studies   
   could   
   > > well be a complete waste of time. Of course Logan's been told that   
   umpteen   
   > > times in the past but he was always a bit obsessed over the subject.   
   > >   
   >   
   > True, but that assumption does "work" with respect to the Welsh. Some   
   > have called into question the use of Friesland as being representative   
   > of Anglo Saxons in the Weale study, rather than Denmark or Saxony (or a   
   > combination) also, but Goldstein has stated that this doesn't matter -   
   > his Friesland samples were actually indistinguisble from his Danish and   
   > northern German ones.   
      
   Goldstein said that any differences between any of the populations in these   
   islands were so slight that they couldn't be used to create a them and us   
   scenario. Besides though I was talking about eastern England and not the   
   Welsh. We don't know what the genetic marker of the Iceni was like, or the   
   likes of the Atrebates etc. Hence people can say and claim what they like   
   without the slightest real chance of being proved wrong! People in   
   south-east England etc perhaps had closer connections with the continental   
   areas like Belgium and Holland etc during the Celtic speaking phase than   
   people from central Ireland did. The so called Belgic tribes existed on both   
   sides of the channel too. Hence we not only have people's own interpretation   
   of the studies being remarkably different, but the studies themselves are   
   built on a bit of a shaky base.   
      
      
   Allan   
      
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