XPost: alt.religion.druid, soc.culture.irish   
   From: spambucket@euro-celts.dot.com   
      
   "healingline" wrote   
   Dia de Los Muertos is also pre-Christian, so there, you Celtoholics.   
   The indigenous of the world knew the value of the season by whatever   
   name.  That All Hallows Eve is a European custom confined to those   
   parts where Celts were subsumed by the Romans is interesting, but not   
   essential.  Exact dating is a cultural contrivance for the convenience   
   of humans.  And they did the lanterns with turnips before they had   
   pumpkins from the Americas.  That's a truly North American fillip on   
   the whole business, the pumpkins.   
      
   IMO there is no 'true date'.  Determine and celebrate as the spirit   
   moves your personal Grove or its equivalent.   
   healingline   
      
   *************   
      
   A-aa-aaah!?!   
   There's definitely no "true date" but one true (starting-) day   
   in the year nevertheless; determined by Moon, Sun and Stars.   
   Needless to say it might change from year to year on the calendar.   
   'Spirit' and 'personal Groves' have nothing to do with it whatsoever.   
      
   Dan   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)