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   "Féachadóir"  wrote in message   
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   > Scríobh "Searles O'Dubhain" :   
   >>   
   >>"Féachadóir"  wrote in message   
   >>news:anr8g25uau2tm8vgev6oo5huq99pt0qfu3@4ax.com...   
   >>> Scríobh "Searles O'Dubhain" :   
   >>>>   
   >>>>"Féachadóir"  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:hat7g2tdgm3o5ut880ec0kbcag68660biu@4ax.com...   
   >>>>> Scríobh "Searles O'Dubhain" :   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>"Féachadóir"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>news:8ka0g2tgfbsvd5gjkc4fnm8dmri3atset5@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>> Scríobh Ciaran :   
   >>>>>>>>"bh" and "mh" are pronounced as the English "v".   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Only when followed by E or I, otherwise they are pronounced as W   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Not always.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Pretty much. Caol le caol, leathan le leathan is one of the golden   
   >>>>> rules of Irish orthography.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>My last name is pronounced with a "V" sound. Other examples   
   >>>>>>would be:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>bhfuil - vil   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I'd say will   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>bhur - vu:r   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> wurr   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>It depends on the dialect. My last name is Anglicized as Duane,   
   >>>>>>Devane   
   >>>>>>or Dwayne in some dialects and districts.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Are you sure you've Gaelicised your name correctly? Perhaps you   
   >>>>> should   
   >>>>> try Ó Duibhín or Ó Daimhín.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>I've followed MacLysaght in the spelling of my surname and have   
   >>>>provided   
   >>>>examples for "bh" sounding like "v" from Foclóir Scoile.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ah well, I wouldn't know from dictionaries. What is your surname in   
   >>> English?   
   >>>   
   >>>>My family name is Ó Dubháin in Irish but I rarely spell it thusly.   
   >>>>The   
   >>>>two names that you've suggested also sound a bit like mine but they   
   >>>>are   
   >>>>most often Anglicized as Devine or Devin IIRC.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Searles O'Dubhain (and yes I know that's not the right spelling for   
   >>>>Charles but it's the way I spell it.)   
   >>>   
   >>> If you want to Gaelicise it, its not the right spelling for   
   >>> "O'Dubhain" either. :)   
   >>>   
   >>> --   
   >>> 'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'   
   >>> © Féachadóir   
   >>   
   >>Go argue with MacLysaght. :-) The name is Devane (Ó Dubháin)   
   >   
   > Now *that* is a right spelling. Those accents matter.   
   >   
   >   
   >>and it   
   >>arises in first report and translation in Keating's _History of   
   >>Ireland_. for the chieftains of Knowth and Slane. There's septs in   
   >>your   
   >>neck of the woods that have different spellings as there also are   
   >>those   
   >>who hail from Kerry, Cork and the Dingle area.   
   >>   
   >>Searles O'Dubhain   
   >>   
   >   
   > --   
   > 'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'   
   > © Féachadóir   
      
   I also provided that spelling in the reply I made just before the last   
   reply. I don't usually include the fada because when I started spelling   
   my name in Irish my keyboard didn't produce them and I was ignorant of   
   the proper codes. Now I don't do it because most folks know me by the   
   erroneous spelling.   
      
   Searles O'Dubhain   
      
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