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   From: allan@EASYNET.CO.UK   
      
   "Raktizer Omheit"  wrote in message   
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   > "allan connochie"  wrote in message   
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   > Alan, Scotland's last major victory against England at the Battle of   
   > Bannockburn in 1314   
      
   It depends waht you mean by major victory! Scotland had quite a few   
   victories after Bannockburn and many would have to be regarded as major.   
      
   >was followed at LATER dates by a string of English   
   > victories were the English longbowmen, along with the Welsh mercenary   
   > longbowmen, were a decisive factor against the Scots at the Battles of   
   > Dupplin Moor in 1332, Halidon Hill in 1333, St. Neville's Cross in 1346,   
   > Flodden Field in 1513, were useful at Solway Moss in 1542, and at also at   
   > Pinkie Cleugh in 1547. Of course, Cromwell and his Puritan armies'   
   victories   
   > at the Battles of Preston in 1648, Dunbar in 1650, Inverkeithing in 1651,   
   > and Worcester in 1651, were NOT due to the longbow, which by this stage   
   had   
   > been replaced by the musket and cannon.   
      
   One could go on and list Scottish victories. For instance Stirling Bridge;   
   Bannockburn; Roslin; Bauge; Old Byland; Stanhope park; Boroughmuir;   
   Culblean: Otterburn; Haddon Rig; Ancrum Moor.  Of course the first two   
   victories were massive encounters whilst the others were less so. Scots did   
   tend to do better on the smaller numerous battles but some of these other   
   battles are just as major as the likes of Inverkeithing. For instance there   
   were reckoned to have been about 15,000 combatants in total at Otterburn   
   whilst Inverkeithing, which is on your list, had only about 9,000   
   combatants. Likewise the English army defeated at Ancrum was roughly the   
   same size as the victorious English army at the said Inverkeithing.   
      
   It also gets difficult as to what one decides is a Scottish army. You   
   obviously seem to regard Preston purely as a victory for England over   
   Scotland. Of course it was more complicated than that. The defeated army was   
   a royalist army which consisted mostly, but not exclusively, of Scots. As   
   far as I can make out something like about 70%-75% or so of the army was   
   Scottish.  If a majority Scottish army is regarded as purely Scottish then   
   why is Marston Moor not down as a Scottish victory, or at least a part   
   Scottish victory, when about 55% of that victorious army was Scottish? Take   
   away the cavalry and the army was about 66% Scottish.   
      
   Allan   
      
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