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   "allan connochie"  wrote in message   
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   > "Raktizer Omheit"  wrote in message   
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   >> "allan connochie"  wrote in message   
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   >> Alan, Scotland's last major victory against England at the Battle of   
   >> Bannockburn in 1314   
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   > It depends waht you mean by major victory! Scotland had quite a few   
   > victories after Bannockburn and many would have to be regarded as major.   
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   >>was followed at LATER dates by a string of English   
   >> victories were the English longbowmen, along with the Welsh mercenary   
   >> longbowmen, were a decisive factor against the Scots at the Battles of   
   >> Dupplin Moor in 1332, Halidon Hill in 1333, St. Neville's Cross in 1346,   
   >> Flodden Field in 1513, were useful at Solway Moss in 1542, and at also at   
   >> Pinkie Cleugh in 1547. Of course, Cromwell and his Puritan armies'   
   > victories   
   >> at the Battles of Preston in 1648, Dunbar in 1650, Inverkeithing in 1651,   
   >> and Worcester in 1651, were NOT due to the longbow, which by this stage   
   > had   
   >> been replaced by the musket and cannon.   
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   > One could go on and list Scottish victories. For instance Stirling Bridge;   
   > Bannockburn; Roslin; Bauge; Old Byland; Stanhope park; Boroughmuir;   
   > Culblean: Otterburn; Haddon Rig; Ancrum Moor.  Of course the first two   
   > victories were massive encounters whilst the others were less so. Scots   
   > did   
   > tend to do better on the smaller numerous battles but some of these other   
   > battles are just as major as the likes of Inverkeithing. For instance   
   > there   
   > were reckoned to have been about 15,000 combatants in total at Otterburn   
   > whilst Inverkeithing, which is on your list, had only about 9,000   
   > combatants. Likewise the English army defeated at Ancrum was roughly the   
   > same size as the victorious English army at the said Inverkeithing.   
   >   
   > It also gets difficult as to what one decides is a Scottish army. You   
   > obviously seem to regard Preston purely as a victory for England over   
   > Scotland. Of course it was more complicated than that. The defeated army   
   > was   
   > a royalist army which consisted mostly, but not exclusively, of Scots. As   
   > far as I can make out something like about 70%-75% or so of the army was   
   > Scottish.  If a majority Scottish army is regarded as purely Scottish then   
   > why is Marston Moor not down as a Scottish victory, or at least a part   
   > Scottish victory, when about 55% of that victorious army was Scottish?   
   > Take   
   > away the cavalry and the army was about 66% Scottish.   
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   > Allan   
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   Allan, without wanting to sound patronising, you sure do know a lot more in   
   detail concerning the related military histories of Scotland and England. If   
   everyone around the world was to know everything about the military   
   histories of all the many peoples on earth, there would probably be far less   
   ultra-nationalistic bragging, and far more sober-minded, realistic, and   
   genuine patriotism.   
      
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