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From: cequka@iprimus.com.au
"allan connochie" wrote in message
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> "Raktizer Omheit" wrote in message
> news:455500b3_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
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>> "The Highlander" wrote in message
>> news:von9l2d63k18mcc3tu2nhn0ticer4pb0c0@4ax.com...
>> > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:54:30 +1100, "Raktizer Omheit"
>> > Actually, the Romans had probably the best tactics and weaponry seen
>> > for over a thousand years. The only difference between the Romans and
>> > the Highlanders 1700 years later was that the Romans marched into
>> > battle while the Highlanders ran at the enemy.
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>> Highlander, the Romans did inflict a nasty defeat on the Highland
>> Picts-Basques-and Celt Scots ( the result of intermingling among
> successive
>> waves of invaders of the British Isles prior to the Roman occupation ) at
>> the Battle of Mons Graupius on what is now Scottish soil in 85 A.D
>
> Sorry but I can't help myself here snipping again. About the only thing
> making much sense out of your description here is that Mons Graupius was
> on
> what is now Scottish soil. The battle took place long before the Pictish
> period. The Picts emerged later and were confederations of the British
> tribes north of the Antonine Wall. Also the Picts weren't Highland Picts.
> The Pictish peoples area traversed what we'd call the Highland Line. They
> were in the Highlands and the Lowlands. By tradition the Scotti (as in the
> Gaels of Dalriada) were still centuries from arriving in Scotland. Even if
> they were there that early they would almost certainly have been confined
> to
> a tiny area on the western seaboard. There is absolutely no reason to
> believe that Scotti were at Mons Graupius. There is no need to
> differentiate
> between Celt Scots and Picts. Both peoples spoke Celtic languages or at
> the
> very least most of them spoke Celtic languages. There may be genetic
> markers
> linking peoples of the Atlantic seaboard but it is nonsense to describe
> the
> tribes fighting the Romans at Mons Graupius as Basques!
>
Alan, the Pictish Basques had by this stage become Celticized in their
language after succesive waves of invasion and subsequent enslavement by
Celtic peoples coming by boat across the Strait of Dover from northern
France in the many centuries before the Roman conquest of Britain, and the
Basques of what is now Ireland, Wales, and England had also become
Celticized by A.D. 85. Basque is one of the non-Indo-European languages of
the Caucasian race, as is or was Berber, Arabic, Ligurian, Elymian,
Eteo-Cretan, Pelasgoi, Etruscan, Lydian, Tyrsenoi, Georgian of the Caucasus
Mountains, Pelasgoi, Turkish, Hungarian, Estonian, Finnish, Lapp, "Iranian"
Elamite, Sumerian, Akkadian, Dravidian, and Burushaski. Although all the
human races have been shown by geneticists to belong to the one species,
some races are more closely related to each other than other races, same as
there are closely related and distantly related cousins within a family.
Personally, I DO NOT believe that Caucasians have any Neanderthal genetic
inheritance, because the offspring of Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon sexual
liasons were probably all infertile.
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> What Highlander is talking about is the Highland Charge of the clans which
> was really developed as he said about 1700 years later. He may correct me
> on
> this, as it's more his area, but I think the MacDonalds were the first to
> use the tactic in the 17thC when fighting Covenanters and Campbells.
>
> Allan
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