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   From: william_black@hotmail.co.uk   
      
   "Raktizer Omheit"  wrote in message   
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   > "William Black"  wrote in message   
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   >>>> The armour was mostly arrowproof by that time.   
   >>> William, that is what happens when you charge into a ploughed field   
   >>   
   >> How do you k now it was a ploughed field?   
      
   >> Because I read about it somewhere, i.e. an account written by one of the   
   >> English soldiers there?   
      
   There are no soldier's accounts of Agincourt.   
      
   Where did you read it?   
      
   >>   
   >>> i.e. after the English and Welsh longbow archers had used up all their   
   >>> arrows.   
   >>   
   >> 1.  What Welsh archers?   
      
   >> The ones who were actually there, William, face to face with their enemy,   
   >> and with none of the advantages of today's technology. i.e. the genuinely   
   >> brave.   
      
   There is no evidence for large numbers of Welsh archers at Agincourt.   
      
   >> 2.  How do you know they had no arrows left?   
      
      
   >> And how do you know otherwhise William?   
      
   I don't.   
      
   You seem to.   
      
   How do you know?   
      
   Were you there? Besides, if they   
   >> still had the arrows left, they would still be using them, rather than   
   >> needlessly risking themselves in hand-to-hand combat.   
      
   When did the archers enter hand-to-hand combat at Agincourt?   
      
   >> Of course, longbow arrows   
   >>> fired volley after volley into the air in large swarms in an arching   
   >>> trajectory, tipped with bodkin points, could still wreak havoc on plate   
   >>> armour, and of course on the knight's horses.   
   >>   
   >> 1.  We do know the French attacked on foot.   
      
   >> William, that would have made them all the more easier to shoot down   
   >> with, especially if they were marching through mud.   
      
   I know.  The fact remains that the French attacked on foot,  mainly because   
   their horses were very vulnerable to arrows...   
      
   >> 2.  We do not know the archers used bodkin points,  we assume they did.   
   >> They may well have had a mixture and used 'type 16' as well.   
      
   >> William, they would have used any weapon available which would have given   
   >> them a greater chance at meeting their self-preservation instinct.   
      
   You stated,  quite categorically,  that they used bodkin points.  I asked   
   for proof of this.   
      
   Do you have any proof?   
      
      
   --   
   William Black   
      
      
   I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.   
   Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland   
   I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate   
   All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach   
   Time for tea.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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