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From: william_black@hotmail.co.uk
"Raktizer Omheit" wrote in message
news:45590c74_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> "William Black" wrote in message
> news:ej9g84$agu$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>>>> How do you k now it was a ploughed field?
>>
>>>> Because I read about it somewhere, i.e. an account written by one of
>>>> the English soldiers there?
>>
>> There are no soldier's accounts of Agincourt.
>>
>> Where did you read it?
> In an introduction or footnote written by a modern historian to the
> account of the battle written by the royal chaplain of King Henry V who
> was at the actual battle site.
Which book.
Besides, how else could the French knights have sunk
> knee deep into the mud at Agincourt unless it was ploughed, and unless
> recent heavy rains had preceeded the beginning of the battle. The valley
> which they attacked in was quite narrow, with a brook running through it,
> and was hemmed in on three sides by forested hillocks back in 1415.
Because it's at the confluence of two rivers. It's marshy.
I know that because I've been there.
The better accounts of the battle mention this as well.
>>>>> i.e. after the English and Welsh longbow archers had used up all their
>>>>> arrows.
>>>>
>>>> 1. What Welsh archers?
>>
>>>> The ones who were actually there, William, face to face with their
>>>> enemy, and with none of the advantages of today's technology. i.e. the
>>>> genuinely brave.
>>
>> There is no evidence for large numbers of Welsh archers at Agincourt.
> But there were some, even if not in large numbers.
Evidence please.
>>>> 2. How do you know they had no arrows left?
>>
>>
>>>> And how do you know otherwhise William?
>>
>> I don't.
>>
>> You seem to.
>>
>> How do you know?
> From a modern historian, can't remember exactly where.
So you made that up.
>>
>> Were you there? Besides, if they
>>>> still had the arrows left, they would still be using them, rather than
>>>> needlessly risking themselves in hand-to-hand combat.
>>
>> When did the archers enter hand-to-hand combat at Agincourt?
> After they had used up their arrows. They carried swords and hatchets with
> them, and they also had alongside them dismounted men-at-arms with swords,
> as well as footsoldiers armed with billhooks.
Actually they carried mattocks...
I assume you read this in abook you can't remember the name of either.
>>>> 2. We do not know the archers used bodkin points, we assume they did.
>>>> They may well have had a mixture and used 'type 16' as well.
>>
>>>> William, they would have used any weapon available which would have
>>>> given them a greater chance at meeting their self-preservation
>>>> instinct.
>>
>> You stated, quite categorically, that they used bodkin points. I asked
>> for proof of this.
>>
>> Do you have any proof?
> William, you should become a lawyer! I do know that as French armour
> became designed to deflect arrows, the English developed specially tipped
> arrow points in order to shear through it, otherwhise they would have not
> bothered to use them at Agincourt in 1415, the many battles after
> Agincourt fought in France between the English and French until 1453, or
> at the Battle of Guinegate in 1513 against the French cavalry, when they
> fired a massed volley of longbows into their flanks,
Bows are shot, not fired.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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