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   On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:33:14 -0000, "Walker"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"Custos Custodum"  wrote in message   
   >news:hkvbr2l0g3tm9klspjfo5vihk5if6smbjl@4ax.com...   
   >> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:23:16 -0000, "Walker"    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>To Fitlikeman. Sorry about top posting, but Cumbric never really "died",   
   >>>many Cumbric words exist in Scots and even standard English, as well as in   
   >>>place-names.   
   >>   
   >> You'd be hard pressed to list more than a hundred that aren't place   
   >> names or dialect.   
   >Complete rubbish!   
   >>   
   OK, then. List them. In fact, I'll make it easy for you - list 50   
   words of standard, modern English, no place names, dialect or obscure   
   technical terms, that can be unequivocally traced to a Cumbric root.   
      
   >>> Also English is nothing like Anglo-Saxon/Old   
   >>>English/Platdeutsch or whatever else you want to call it.   
   >>   
   >> Nonsense. You're frothing again. The similarities are there to see for   
   >> anyone who takes the trouble to learn a little about both languages.   
   >Complete rubbish!   
      
   Really? The core vocabulary of English is predominantly Germanic,   
   especially when one looks at older, obsolete forms. English shares its   
   strong/weak verb classification with modern German and presumably the   
   other Germanic languages too. Verbs that are strong in English are   
   usually strong in German, and the process of ablaut (e.g. sing, sang,   
   sung) is similar, if not identical, for both. English and German verbs   
   have only two 'true' tenses, the remainder being formed using   
   auxiliaries.   
   The comparison and position of adjectives follow the same pattern for   
   both languages.   
   English word order is generally SVO. German word order is more   
   flexible, but the verb is still in second place. What was Cumbric   
   (=Celtic?) word order? VSO?   
   And yet, despite all this evidence of common ancestry, you continue to   
   deny that English is essentially Germanic in origin and claim instead   
   that it is some sort of amalgam of Cumbric and Latin.   
      
   >>> Ever noticed the   
   >>>prelieferation of Celtic auxillaries in English?   
   >>   
   >> What proliferation? (I assume that's what you meant). If you are   
   >> talking about 'progressive' tenses (I believe linguists call them   
   >> 'aspects' nowadays) then yes, it is possible, even probable, that they   
   >> are due to Celtic influence, as English is unique among the Germanic   
   >> languages in possessing such a feature.   
   >This response (antwort) negates your claim that English grammar and   
   >vocabulary is similar to that of German.   
      
   How does it do that? All I have done is to concede that 'progressive'   
   tenses (e.g. I am running) are not found in other Germanic languages   
   and are probably the result of Celtic influence. I would guess that   
   most languages exhibit external influences that are not shared by even   
   their closest relatives.   
      
   >What absolute rubbish you write!   
      
   It's still far short of the utter fantasy that you promote as   
   'academic research'.   
      
   >>   
   >>>Is that how Germans speak   
   >>>German?   
   >>   
   >> No, but German verbs closely mirror their English counterparts in most   
   >> other respects. Hardly surprising, given their common ancestry.   
   >>   
   >Complete rubbish!   
      
   So prove me wrong! I have already indicated the main areas of   
   similarity. Simply contradicting me adds nothing to your already   
   flimsy case.   
      
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