XPost: soc.culture.welsh, scot.scots, soc.culture.scottish   
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   From: walker@btinternet.com   
      
   So called Anglo-Saxon or Old English is German you dolt. Gobineau wrote a   
   racist book stating that Germans are the master race of culture heroes.   
   Anglo-Saxon=German: Anglo-Saxon=English, therefore according to this kind of   
   racist filth "The English" are the master race and Celts are wogs,   
   "Custos Custodum"  wrote in message   
   news:pgu1t25cvmkdba46oclthluk0kkbu8mm4c@4ax.com...   
   > On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:50:22 -0000, "Walker"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>"Custos Custodum"  wrote in message   
   >>news:efsbs2lbupm9494r4u2k5roph1ebpmu5at@4ax.com...   
   >>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:28:38 -0000, "Walker"    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>"Custos Custodum"  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:u2ler2ps9a6t0g26l4r7rasoaeoara1n7c@4ax.com...   
   >>>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:33:14 -0000, "Walker"    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>"Custos Custodum"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>news:hkvbr2l0g3tm9klspjfo5vihk5if6smbjl@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:23:16 -0000, "Walker"    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>To Fitlikeman. Sorry about top posting, but Cumbric never really   
   >>>>>>>>"died",   
   >>>>>>>>many Cumbric words exist in Scots and even standard English, as well   
   >>>>>>>>as   
   >>>>>>>>in   
   >>>>>>>>place-names.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You'd be hard pressed to list more than a hundred that aren't place   
   >>>>>>> names or dialect.   
   >>>>>>Complete rubbish!   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>> OK, then. List them. In fact, I'll make it easy for you - list 50   
   >>>>> words of standard, modern English, no place names, dialect or obscure   
   >>>>> technical terms, that can be unequivocally traced to a Cumbric root.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Also English is nothing like Anglo-Saxon/Old   
   >>>>>>>>English/Platdeutsch or whatever else you want to call it.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Nonsense. You're frothing again. The similarities are there to see   
   >>>>>>> for   
   >>>>>>> anyone who takes the trouble to learn a little about both languages.   
   >>>>>>Complete rubbish!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Really? The core vocabulary of English is predominantly Germanic,   
   >>>>> especially when one looks at older, obsolete forms. English shares its   
   >>>>> strong/weak verb classification with modern German and presumably the   
   >>>>> other Germanic languages too. Verbs that are strong in English are   
   >>>>> usually strong in German, and the process of ablaut (e.g. sing, sang,   
   >>>>> sung) is similar, if not identical, for both. English and German verbs   
   >>>>> have only two 'true' tenses, the remainder being formed using   
   >>>>> auxiliaries.   
   >>>>> The comparison and position of adjectives follow the same pattern for   
   >>>>> both languages.   
   >>>>> English word order is generally SVO. German word order is more   
   >>>>> flexible, but the verb is still in second place. What was Cumbric   
   >>>>> (=Celtic?) word order? VSO?   
   >>>>> And yet, despite all this evidence of common ancestry, you continue to   
   >>>>> deny that English is essentially Germanic in origin and claim instead   
   >>>>> that it is some sort of amalgam of Cumbric and Latin.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Ever noticed the   
   >>>>>>>>prelieferation of Celtic auxillaries in English?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What proliferation? (I assume that's what you meant). If you are   
   >>>>>>> talking about 'progressive' tenses (I believe linguists call them   
   >>>>>>> 'aspects' nowadays) then yes, it is possible, even probable, that   
   >>>>>>> they   
   >>>>>>> are due to Celtic influence, as English is unique among the Germanic   
   >>>>>>> languages in possessing such a feature.   
   >>>>>>This response (antwort) negates your claim that English grammar and   
   >>>>>>vocabulary is similar to that of German.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> How does it do that? All I have done is to concede that 'progressive'   
   >>>>> tenses (e.g. I am running) are not found in other Germanic languages   
   >>>>> and are probably the result of Celtic influence. I would guess that   
   >>>>> most languages exhibit external influences that are not shared by even   
   >>>>> their closest relatives.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>What absolute rubbish you write!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It's still far short of the utter fantasy that you promote as   
   >>>>> 'academic research'.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Is that how Germans speak   
   >>>>>>>>German?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> No, but German verbs closely mirror their English counterparts in   
   >>>>>>> most   
   >>>>>>> other respects. Hardly surprising, given their common ancestry.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Complete rubbish!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So prove me wrong! I have already indicated the main areas of   
   >>>>> similarity. Simply contradicting me adds nothing to your already   
   >>>>> flimsy case.   
   >>>>Wright, who was a famous 19th. century philologist and linguist, proved   
   >>>>that   
   >>>>English arose from a mish-mash of Low German, Danish, Norse, and Welsh,   
   >>>>to   
   >>>>which were added French and Latin words.   
   >>>   
   >>> What claims did he make for the Welsh influence, and what proof did he   
   >>> offer? Your use of 'Low German' in this context is misleading and runs   
   >>> counter to current academic practice.   
   >>>   
   >>>>Anglo-Saxon is ancient Saxon and   
   >>>>100% German.   
   >>>   
   >>> Well, duh! Actually, 'Anglo-Saxon' is an umbrella term used to   
   >>> describe the closely related Germanic dialects of the Angles and   
   >>> Saxons who settled these shores shortly after the Romans left. Related   
   >>> to modern German through their common ancestry, it is the foundation   
   >>> of modern English and is usually called 'Old English' nowadays.   
   >>>   
   >>>>Gobineau's theory of the recial supremecy of Germans is not   
   >>>>even accepted by Germans now-a-days, why try to flog old Anglo-Saxonist   
   >>>>rubbish?   
   >>>>   
   >>> Who gives a toss about Gobshite's theories? You're frothing again.   
   >>> Time for your medication.   
   >>   
   >>Gobineau was the founder of German racism, to which you seem to be an avid   
   >>admirer.   
   >   
   > How on earth did you arrive at that ridiculous conclusion?   
   >   
   >>You seem to know nothing about the history of ancient Germany.   
   >   
   > Don't believe everything you think you see.   
   >   
   >>Parts of England were settled by Germans after the fall of the Roman   
   >>Empire   
   >>in the West.   
   >   
   > No they weren't. They were settled by Germanic tribes. The ideas of   
   > 'Germany' and 'German' only came into being with the Holy Roman Empire   
   > in the 9th century, and did not become a political reality until 1871.   
   >   
   >   
   >>German ceased as a spoken language in the British Isles a long   
   >>time ago,   
   >   
      
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