XPost: soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.cornish, soc.culture.irish
XPost: soc.culture.scottish
From: innes8@verizon.net
"Robert Peffers." wrote in message
news:ZdCdnS_ADPEFLVzbRVnygAA@bt.com...
> Aye! Great!
> Except it is based upon false premise and wrong conclusions.
> Let us look first at Roman Britain - Roman Britain was Not the British
> Isles, it stopped fairly short at Hadrian's Wall and with a little further
> North remaining essentially a battle ground for the entire Roman
> occupation - you do not adopt the language of your enemies until after
> they defeat you. Then, of course their Empire did not reach too far West
> in Britain either.
It did over time, courtesy Emperor Claudius, the great White-Washed courtesy
Robt. Graves, no less. Claudius simply hung the inhabitants of entire
regions; that is his legacy. Only the caost of Wales and extreme Cornwall
was spared slaughter. The population diminished from an estimated 5 million
to 2 in the subsequent 3 century holocaust - do not deny it.
> Then came the Angles, Jutes, Saxons and Franks. This was not an invasion,
> per see, but an invitation from the southern area of the British Isles but
> not from the North and West of those Isles. Next
Slowly! I do not think there was particular invitation - who, say you,
issued it?
Jumping ahead 600 years...
> came the Normans and although Norman Knights did come to Scotland they, by
> no means ruled it. Though Robert De Brus was a Norman Knight who brought
> the Northern Scots into, (more or less), union with the rest of Scotland.
My own family is responsible for 'refuting' several incursions, including
the Bonny Duke of Moray who came 'dancin thru the toon'; the Innes's
murdered the southron bogart.
> So from before the Roman's came to Britain until long around the time that
> Jamie Saxt took over the English throne the Scots were speaking different
> versions of all those pan-European languages that you claim make up modern
> English. Laughably you ignore the simple fact that most Scots still speak
> either Gaelic or a form of Lowland Scots, or even both, in addition to
> Standard English.
They do not Sir, and you lecture someone whose name is Highland Scot.
Scottish Gaelic has of habitual speakers now just 30,000 persons. Irish
Gaelic some 22,000 speakers, Welsh 326,000 habitual speakers, and for Breton
250,000 habitual speakers. [census 1991] More understand it than speak it,
particularly in Wales where the numner is 1.1 million people. But of Scots
Gaelic only 55,000 now understand it.
Almost all Scots do not understand the Gaelic, and are no longer
Curadh-uasisle Inssi Gall. You understand this phrase?
> The first study I made of the English language origins started with a
> reference to an, "Expert", and upon reading her theory it started out with
> the premise that Latin was spoken in Roman Britain but on the very next
> line made the wrong assumption that this was the entire British Isles ad
> thereafter used the term Britain without realising Roman Britain was a
> very different thing. Did you, perhaps, study under this lady expert?
Perhaps! But not language.
Beware 'experts' and romantic sound-bite opinion. All European languages
emerged from the central Celtic root~, and what we discuss here is merely
the division of the tongue over the past 6,000 years. More important is the
extant and varied culture of the peoples, tha gach beinn, gach cnoc, 's gach
sliabh.
Phil Innes
>
> Robert Peffers,
> Kelty,
> Fife,
> Scotland, (UK).
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