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"Robert Peffers." wrote in message
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> "Chess One" wrote in message
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>> "Alan Smaill" wrote in message
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>>> "Chess One" writes:
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>>>> I had just wondered what you meant by your list, Bob. Obviously lowland
>>>> scots would have to speak something, and I wondered what your emphasis
>>>> was?
>>>> Certainly 'most highlanders don't speak a form of lowland scots
>>>> [dialect]'
>>>> and most lowland scots don't speak Gaellic. Even 'standard' English is
>>>> a
>>>> [invented] dialect, courtesy the BBC.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt lowland scots to be any more difficult to ken than Cornish
>>>> accented
>>>> English.
>>>
>>> The Cambridge Encyclopedia of the English Language will
>>> disagree with you on that, FWIW.
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>> O, I am sure that any statement can be disagreed with. My only lines of
>> defence is that I have been a long time in both places, that is to say, I
>> ventured outside the Great Library's Ideas of Things, and that unless
>> things have changed, Cambridge is still in England.
>>
>> ---
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>> But look - I am researching early culture in Europe, and written language
>> is an indicator of it,
> And thereby hangs the proof that you are, well and truely, up a very blind
> alley.
> As already pointed out to you the Scottish Education Act of 1872
> effectively proscribed both Scots languages from the schoolroom.
Sorry, but I find your point a bit blunt.
> Scots thus became, mostly, a spoken language.
All languages are mostly spoken languages - that is; speech is its dominant
force beyond any standard of correctness. Anglo Saxon survived Anglo Norman,
not because it was overwritten, but because the people, to large extent,
preferred to speak it.
> However, long before that date English paranoia had done its level best to
> banish all things Scottish from Mother Earth - on pain of death..
> Wearing Tartan, Playing Bagpipes, Wearing Kilts, Speaking Our Language.
> Ach! Weel! Awa til the hinneren o the clessroom aincemair wi ye. Aiblins
> siccna thraw maun bi par fir the coorse.
> Whit div yer dominies scrieve aboot it?
Yes - as I said, my name is Innes or Roxeburghe.
> (Oh! Well! Away to the back of the classroom again with you. Perhaps such
> a setback must be par for the cource. What do your teachers write about
> it)?
Tell me your opinion again after you have climbed Ben Macdui in midwinter.
Tell me what the old man said to you. Then you have better basis to lecture
a highland Scot of what is or is not to your speculatory intent.
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> Have not recent events shown much of former thoughts on our history are
> rubbish?
>
> What of the discovery in Inverness that a thin layer of white sand
> indicates a sudden inrush of the North Sea?
> What of the Discovery of the settlement at Howick?
> What of the evidence from Doggerland?
> What of genetic studies showing there was little actual Anglo Saxon
> interbreeding and most Britons are Celts?
Yes - what of them? What's true is that all Europeans were Celts at one
time - as for A. Sax and Celts - if the remnant civilisation after the
Romans was of approx 2 million people, it had only increased to 3 million
1,000 years later in Elizabethan times. But my anthropological investigation
is not so much re-evaluating little known and anomalous factors of history,
but seeking some dynamic chronology of them. ie, as diaspora from central
Europe, or as from the western seaboard into the continent.
Phil Innes
>
> Robert Peffers,
> Kelty,
> Fife,
> Scotland, (UK).
>
>
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