XPost: soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.cornish, soc.culture.irish   
   XPost: soc.culture.scottish   
   From: micheil@shaw.ca   
      
   On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:36:16 GMT, "Chess One"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"Chess One"  wrote in message   
   >news:shfwi.2547$tU4.1087@trndny03...   
   >>   
   >I should correct my own text before others do...   
      
   Actually, you should study some history before you do even that.   
   >   
   >> from the northern European plains, with its updated version 600 years   
   >> later which we call Anglo Norman [which is Saxon via a 500 year sojourn in   
   >> France].   
      
   Anglo-Norman is NOT Saxon.   
   >   
   >More precisely, the Normans were Viking settlers inter-married in France,   
   >and their Saxon originated in Scandinavia.   
      
   Saxon is a language found in places like Saxony, which is in Germany,   
   not Scandiavia. The Normans never spoke Saxon, and to this day, still   
   don't. Instead they speak a form of French, which can be heard in the   
   French of Quebec as a medieval dialect, much of it derived from the   
   French of Normandy, Brittany and Poitiers.   
   >   
   >> scarpering Romans, but those who remained were, even after 400 years of   
   >> occupation, still culturally Celt, thereby the forms and rhythms of new   
   >> speech in A. Sax were modulated by the 'Welsc', the 'foreigners' who   
   >> already lived here.   
   >   
   >plus supplementary Latin of the literate, the 'pan-European language'   
   >   
   >> culture. History continues this way, with more war for about 200 years,   
   >   
   >Scholastic history [of war] continued 2,000 years! This is in   
   >contradistinction to any anthropological mention of culture - little of that   
   >showed up in books until about 1950, and then was not taught in schools   
   >   
   >> rara avis! how often is anything mentioned about the lives of the people.   
   >   
   >> is literally not even seen... and some impossible people from a   
   >> psychologically basis be suggested to us with seemingly random fantasy   
   >> placard sound-bites about the old folks.   
   >   
   > with an improbable proposal of a fantasy psychological basis   
   >   
   >> The roots of English language are simply old, and 'modern languages' are   
   >> just novel forms of what to large extent was already incorporated some   
   >> 1000 years ago. To understand this is the path to the past, though as   
   >> above, we have hardly travelled it in any cogent manner, nor adequately   
   >> explained it to ourselves - that is, we Anglo-Celts have not th'n beys   
   >> danvonas sylwyans   
   >   
   >This essay or homily, merely reports on the /written/ record, and should be   
   >understood as a value - ie, were the cultural artifacts of the Celts   
   >recorded in writing rather than in Works?   
      
   No. The culture appears to have been entirely oral and to a large   
   degree remains so today.   
   >   
   >Almost all academic study ignores the Works and references texts, as if that   
   >was where core information lay. The absurdity of this systemic approach to   
   >history is revealed by the treatment meted out to the astronomer royal, Sir   
   >Norman Lockyer, when he presented his finding on stellar alignments from   
   >monoliths to the Archaeology departments of major English universities.   
   >   
   >They not only abused him severely, but did not even look at his evidence /in   
   >vivo/, but rather dismissed the paper-Idea of it since, as ani fül no, the   
   >Celts and their forbears were ignerunt savages, etc.   
   >   
   >But people with advanced knowledge of astronomy can navigate, and move on   
   >the waters beyon sight of the coast. Received history is predicated on the   
   >'ignerunt savage' version, and certainly not on the Giants of the Gardens of   
   >the Hesperides. In short, much received history is 'pathic' [Heidigger]or   
   >speculated without evidence or experience, book-bound, and acultural.   
   >   
   >PI   
   >   
   >> Phil Innes   
   >>   
      
   Well, that was a fascinating wander through the garden of your mind,   
   but there seem to be some grievous misunderstandings in your view of   
   history and geography. Have you ever visited a Celtic country; sat   
   down with the people; listened to their version of their history, or   
   is this all packaged and readied for consumption in Detroit or   
   Minneapolis?   
   >>> --   
   >>> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.   
   >>   
   >>   
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   The Highlander   
   Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,   
   togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus   
   toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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