XPost: soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.cornish, soc.culture.irish   
   XPost: soc.culture.scottish   
   From: micheil@shaw.ca   
      
   On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:22:07 GMT, "Chess One"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"Robert Peffers."  wrote in message   
   >news:ZdCdnS_ADPEFLVzbRVnygAA@bt.com...   
   >   
   >> Aye! Great!   
   >> Except it is based upon false premise and wrong conclusions.   
   >> Let us look first at Roman Britain - Roman Britain was Not the British   
   >> Isles, it stopped fairly short at Hadrian's Wall and with a little further   
   >> North remaining essentially a battle ground for the entire Roman   
   >> occupation - you do not adopt the language of your enemies until after   
   >> they defeat you. Then, of course their Empire did not reach too far West   
   >> in Britain either.   
   >   
   >It did over time, courtesy Emperor Claudius, the great White-Washed courtesy   
   >Robt. Graves, no less. Claudius simply hung the inhabitants of entire   
   >regions; that is his legacy. Only the caost of Wales and extreme Cornwall   
   >was spared slaughter. The population diminished from an estimated 5 million   
   >to 2 in the subsequent 3 century holocaust - do not deny it.   
   >   
   >> Then came the Angles, Jutes, Saxons and Franks. This was not an invasion,   
   >> per see, but an invitation from the southern area of the British Isles but   
   >> not from the North and West of those Isles. Next   
   >   
   >Slowly! I do not think there was particular invitation - who, say you,   
   >issued it?   
   >   
   >Jumping ahead 600 years...   
   >   
   >> came the Normans and although Norman Knights did come to Scotland they, by   
   >> no means ruled it. Though Robert De Brus was a Norman Knight who brought   
   >> the Northern Scots into, (more or less), union with the rest of Scotland.   
   >   
   >My own family is responsible for 'refuting' several incursions, including   
   >the Bonny Duke of Moray who came 'dancin thru the toon'; the Innes's   
   >murdered the southron bogart.   
      
   This is all news to us! The Bonnie Earl of Moray was a well-known   
   figure in his day, but I don't think the family ever aspired to a   
   dukedom. You could always phone the current Earl and enquire. The   
   family seat is Doune Lodge, near Doune, Stirling -   
      
   Call +44 1422 323 200 and ask if his Lordship can come to the phone.   
   If he can't, ask for his son, Lord Doune.   
   >   
   >> So from before the Roman's came to Britain until long around the time that   
   >> Jamie Saxt took over the English throne the Scots were speaking different   
   >> versions of all those pan-European languages that you claim make up modern   
   >> English. Laughably you ignore the simple fact that most Scots still speak   
   >> either Gaelic or a form of Lowland Scots, or even both, in addition to   
   >> Standard English.   
   >   
   >They do not Sir, and you lecture someone whose name is Highland Scot.   
   >   
   >Scottish Gaelic has of habitual speakers now just 30,000 persons. Irish   
   >Gaelic some 22,000 speakers, Welsh 326,000 habitual speakers, and for Breton   
   >250,000 habitual speakers. [census 1991] More understand it than speak it,   
   >particularly in Wales where the numner is 1.1 million people. But of Scots   
   >Gaelic only 55,000 now understand it.   
   >   
   >Almost all Scots do not understand the Gaelic, and are no longer   
   >Curadh-uasisle Inssi Gall. You understand this phrase?   
   >   
   >> The first study I made of the English language origins started with a   
   >> reference to an, "Expert", and upon reading her theory it started out with   
   >> the premise that Latin was spoken in Roman Britain but on the very next   
   >> line made the wrong assumption that this was the entire British Isles ad   
   >> thereafter used the term Britain without realising Roman Britain was a   
   >> very different thing. Did you, perhaps, study under this lady expert?   
   >   
   >Perhaps! But not language.   
   >   
   >Beware 'experts' and romantic sound-bite opinion.   
      
   By God, after reading the above, we'll take good note of that warning!   
      
   "Far am bi neach-eachdraidh Ameireaganaich, bi pailteas cac capaill   
   ann airson an t-sluagh a bhiathadh." as the (fresh off the press this   
   minute) proverb says... *   
      
   * (Where there is an American historian, there will be plenty horse   
   shit to feed the crowd.)   
      
      
      
   >All European languages   
   >emerged from the central Celtic root~, and what we discuss here is merely   
   >the division of the tongue over the past 6,000 years. More important is the   
   >extant and varied culture of the peoples, tha gach beinn, gach cnoc, 's gach   
   >sliabh.   
   >   
   >Phil Innes   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Robert Peffers,   
   >> Kelty,   
   >> Fife,   
   >> Scotland, (UK).   
   >>   
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   The Highlander   
   Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,   
   togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus   
   toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)