XPost: soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.cornish, soc.culture.irish
XPost: soc.culture.scottish
From: micheil@shaw.ca
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:53:16 GMT, "Chess One"
wrote:
>
>"The Highlander" wrote in message
>news:ai89c3p1rv7g8oqb9m9p2l2j7ubgj9nnvm@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:36:16 GMT, "Chess One"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Chess One" wrote in message
>>>news:shfwi.2547$tU4.1087@trndny03...
>>>>
>>>I should correct my own text before others do...
>>
>> Actually, you should study some history before you do even that.
>
>O god! Are you the person who is e-mailing too? You 'should'... etc..
>zzzzzzzz Lest it not be clear - and take no personal offense if it is not
>you, take your volunteered and gratuitous advice and put it up your sporran.
I have not emailed you; and will not be emailing you. I trust you will
extend the same courtesy to me, as anything that needs to be said can
be said in the forum where your original venture into the wilderness
of your presumptions about the Celtic peoples and their neighbours
first appeared.
>
>>>> from the northern European plains, with its updated version 600 years
>>>> later which we call Anglo Norman [which is Saxon via a 500 year sojourn
>>>> in
>>>> France].
>>
>> Anglo-Norman is NOT Saxon.
>
>Agree. The Normans were from Scandinavia, no? Tired of plundering Paris they
>settled down with nice French girls - who would not? Which is the import of
>the 500 year sojourn, or a bit longer even.
>
>>>More precisely, the Normans were Viking settlers inter-married in France,
>>>and their Saxon originated in Scandinavia.
>>
>> Saxon is a language found in places like Saxony, which is in Germany,
>
>Various forms of A. Sax originate across the northern Rhine. There are
>several, and mutually incomprehensibe. Is this also your understanding?
Oh, please! Do I come across as an illiterate?
>
>> not Scandiavia.
>
>Which is what I said above - that these raiders settled in France with their
>Norsc variant of Saxon, which was the same as Viking, since they were, and
>given 500 years belended that into the French - that is indeed why we accuse
>them of any Saxon-base to their language. Agree?
I am prepared to agree that the above is howling nonsense.
By the way, perhaps you would be good enough to write using a
vocabulary familiar to English speakers. For example, "belended" is
not a word I remember from my school days - it has a vague hint of the
Arthurian English so beloved of re-enactor groups.
>
>> The Normans never spoke Saxon, and to this day, still
>> don't. Instead they speak a form of French, which can be heard in the
>> French of Quebec as a medieval dialect, much of it derived from the
>> French of Normandy, Brittany and Poitiers.
>
>Il ne se prend pas pour de la merde, mais il ne sait rien de rien? Alors! On
>dit os à ranger, on ne va pas remoter du déluge. C'est plus qu'un crime,
>c'est une faute.
I congratulate you on your cutting and pasting skills.
>But never mind Tallyrand, and never mind whatever Anglo Norman via the
>conquest is held to be by others, la vâche!
Je peux vous assurer que tout ce que vous avez écrit à ce moment pue
de merde.
(I can assure you that everything you have written so far stinks of
shit.)
>----
>
>> Well, that was a fascinating wander through the garden of your mind,
>> but there seem to be some grievous misunderstandings in your view of
>> history and geography. Have you ever visited a Celtic country; sat
>> down with the people; listened to their version of their history, or
>> is this all packaged and readied for consumption in Detroit or
>> Minneapolis?
>
>I am a Celt. Are you somewhere 'overseas' as in generations overseas?
No. I was born and brought up in Scotland and, unusually perhaps, as
my family moved around, speak all three Scottish languages, Gaelic,
Scots and English. In later life I emigrated to Canada as so many
thousands of Scots like me have done.
What would it matter anyway? Had I been born and brought up in Nova
Scotia, Canada, I could have been raised as a native Gaelic speaker
and furthermore, could have completed a degree using the medium of the
Gaelic language. There are probably more people learning Gaelic -
Irish and Scots - in North America than there are in Ireland or
Scotland.
>Illustrate your points, should you have any that sensibly contest mine,
>beyond this assertive stuff, or continue to illustrate that other thing,
>which I think, is not born of any confidence.
I confidently contest just about everything you've posted to date, but
have no intention of opening a remedial school on-line for pretentious
wannabes. I don't know what sort of trip you're on - ego, acid or
alcohol, but you have plumbed new depths of ignorance and
misunderstandings as far as I am concerned.
Scots are arguably the best-educated people in Europe, as many
centuries ago we recognized that education was the antidote to living
out a life of poverty in a country with few resources apart from its
people. Our compulsory Schooling Act was passed in 1496 A.D. and by
the end of the 1700s, apart from the Highlands, Scotland was a
literate country. England did not reach that point until the 1880s.
To this day it is possible to have Scotland pay for your university
education. I think that speaks volumes for the value that Scots place
on education.
This group contains many who are well-versed in various matters,
including the history of Europe and the Celtic peoples, if I may use
such a disputed nomenclature.
>
>I am not a boy, and you friend, are in too deep. Send me a fuck-off note and
>retire in the smoke ;)
I am retiring nowhere, boy! This group is a Scottish group among the
many you have deigned to include in your bid for international
recognition as an historian of note, and I am not about to be ordered
out of it by some fantasist who thought he could lecture us on our own
culture and history. Whatever your claims to a well-grounded
education, I would suggest that you contact whoever gave it to you and
ask for your money back; then start over by actually reading up on the
subjects which you have mangled with such skill to date.
As a Celt to an alleged Celt, let me add, Tha'n fhearas mhòr ort, agus
ghabh sinn fadachd. (You are showing off and we have become bored.)
Le gach deagh dhùrachd!
The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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