XPost: soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.cornish, soc.culture.irish   
   XPost: soc.culture.scottish   
   From: micheil@shaw.ca   
      
   On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie"   
    wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"Chess One"  wrote in message   
   >news:Mxqxi.635$563.246@trndny08...   
   >>   
   >> "The Highlander"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> from the northern European plains, with its updated version 600 years   
   >>>>> later which we call Anglo Norman [which is Saxon via a 500 year sojourn   
   >>>>> in   
   >>>>> France].   
   >>>   
   >>> Anglo-Norman is NOT Saxon.   
   >>   
   >> Agree. The Normans were from Scandinavia, no? Tired of plundering Paris   
   >> they settled down with nice French girls - who would not? Which is the   
   >> import of the 500 year sojourn, or a bit longer even.   
   >>   
   >>>>More precisely, the Normans were Viking settlers inter-married in France,   
   >>>>and their Saxon originated in Scandinavia.   
   >>>   
   >>> Saxon is a language found in places like Saxony, which is in Germany,   
   >>   
   >> Various forms of A. Sax originate across the northern Rhine. There are   
   >> several, and mutually incomprehensibe. Is this also your understanding?   
   >>   
   >>> not Scandiavia.   
   >>   
   >> Which is what I said above - that these raiders settled in France with   
   >> their Norsc variant of Saxon, which was the same as Viking, since they   
   >> were, and given 500 years belended that into the French - that is indeed   
   >> why we accuse them of any Saxon-base to their language. Agree?   
   >   
   >I don't think many people would agree with that. What was being pointed out   
   >is that what the Normans would have spoken, before the soujorn to France,   
   >was not Saxon. Surely the Normans would have spoken Norse or something   
   >closely related too Norse? Certainly something a lot more closely related to   
   >Norse than any kind of Anglo-Saxon would have been. You seem to be   
   >suggesting that Norse was a variant of Anglo-Saxon and hence all can come   
   >under the lable Saxon  They are all from the Germanic family but what you   
   >suggest makes as much sense as saying the Gaels in the Scottish Islands   
   >speak Welsh.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> Well, that was a fascinating wander through the garden of your mind,   
   >>> but there seem to be some grievous misunderstandings in your view of   
   >>> history and geography. Have you ever visited a Celtic country; sat   
   >>> down with the people; listened to their version of their history, or   
   >>> is this all packaged and readied for consumption in Detroit or   
   >>> Minneapolis?   
   >>   
   >> I am a Celt. Are you somewhere 'overseas' as in generations overseas?   
   >> Illustrate your points, should you have any that sensibly contest mine,   
   >> beyond this assertive stuff, or continue to illustrate that other thing,   
   >> which I think, is not born of any confidence   
   >   
   >This one will be interesting! I'm going off to get my stubbie and sannies.   
   >Now Highlander you may not have spent as much time looking down on all the   
   >lovely locks in Scotland {presumably at Fort Augustus} so watch the language   
   >as you prove your credentials.There are bairns in the room. And a   
   >lady........but she's from Norfolk so she's heard that kind of langauge   
   >before :-)   
      
   My regards to Mrs. Connochie. Having visited Norfolk on several   
   occasions, where the locals were remarkably pleasant-mouthed, I am   
   sure that "that kind of language" has never passed the lady's lips...   
   >   
   >Allan   
   >   
   There's no cause for alarm - I'm in pompous, ponderous mode this   
   morning! For obscenities tune in after 6:00 PM when Heid the Baa joins   
   us following closing time in New Zealand!   
      
   I must confess that I have become addicted to Rab. C. Nesbit on   
   YouTube, but to my amazement, there is very little coarse swearing   
   (Scotland's other major contribution to the world of impeccable   
   manners and politeness.) I suppose the BBC put its foot down on that   
   aspect of our memorable culture.   
      
   I didn't appreciate our leadership in this field until the day a   
   Toronto taxi whizzed past in the slush of a Canadian winter and soaked   
   those of us waiting to cross the street. My shouted suggestions to the   
   disappearing taxi so horrified one bystander that he said, "Please   
   stop - you're making me feel quite ill!" I strode off, thinking to   
   myself, "Canadians - what the **** do they know; poor motherless   
   b*st*rds!"   
      
   Highlander - a classy act for all occasions - that's me!   
      
      
   The Highlander   
   Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,   
   togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus   
   toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)