XPost: soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.cornish, soc.culture.irish   
   XPost: soc.culture.scottish   
   From: innes8@verizon.net   
      
   "The Highlander"  wrote in message   
   news:52jec3h9lkuc6s4trkugfu0k39u6b93tt9@4ax.com...   
   > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:47:49 +0100, "Westprog"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>Féachadóir wrote:   
   >>...   
   >>>> I can see it being useful if it's necessary to represent how people   
   >>>> are speaking, but I don't see it as important when processing a   
   >>>> planning application for a gazebo.   
   >>   
   >>> Of course not. You speak a majority language, you take it for granted.   
   >>   
   >>The reason that I don't see it as important when planning a gazebo, in the   
   >>case of Scots, is that the planning application is already valid Scots, if   
   >>it's valid English.   
   >   
   > My God, are you ever out to lunch! There are many older Scots who   
   > really can't speak "pure" English with any degree of success.   
   >   
   >>The same doesn't apply to Irish. The stacks of unread   
   >>forms provided in every government agency in Ireland are clearly an   
   >>essential part of ensuring the good health of the language.   
   >   
   > That really is a venomous remark and unworthy of you, Westprog, as I   
   > battle to retain some degree of respect for your opinions!   
   >   
   > Would you rather that we all spoke American English? Language is the   
   > very root of any culture,   
      
   Not so. Culture is the very root of language.   
      
   > and as the language dies, so does the   
   > culture. Surely you don't want to see Ireland become a country of cute   
   > American or English clones who think that "begorrah" is the beginning   
   > and end of the Irish language?   
      
   Trite.   
      
   > To me, your statements are heresy.   
      
   yet you speculate so much upon so little, and now speak of 'heresy' - but   
   heretically of what subject?   
      
   > You might as well call up Downing   
   > Street or the White House and ask if Ireland can be taken over as a   
   > dependency like Gibraltar or Puerto Rico.   
   >   
   > Dear God, spare me from Brit clones! We have enough of those in   
   > Scotland, mangling the English language in their social-climbing   
   > attempts to be mistaken for the residents of Belgravia!   
      
   It is not a fight against anything except the /qualitative/ aspects of the   
   culture that people sense is alack in their own lives. The language   
   interchanged means nothing - not on its surface, nor elsewhere, since what   
   people want is a sense of some root aspect of culture which is decent and   
   better than tv or guide books - which are almostly universally trite.   
      
   That is the truth of it, no matter how poorly expressed by one and all.   
      
   Phil Innes   
      
   >   
   > The Highlander   
   > Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,   
   > togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus   
   > toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)