XPost: soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.cornish, soc.culture.irish   
   XPost: soc.culture.scottish   
   From: micheil@shaw.ca   
      
   On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:01:39 GMT, The Highlander    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:22:07 GMT, "Chess One"    
   >wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>"Robert Peffers."  wrote in message   
   >>news:ZdCdnS_ADPEFLVzbRVnygAA@bt.com...   
   >>   
   >>> Aye! Great!   
   >>> Except it is based upon false premise and wrong conclusions.   
   >>> Let us look first at Roman Britain - Roman Britain was Not the British   
   >>> Isles, it stopped fairly short at Hadrian's Wall and with a little further   
   >>> North remaining essentially a battle ground for the entire Roman   
   >>> occupation - you do not adopt the language of your enemies until after   
   >>> they defeat you. Then, of course their Empire did not reach too far West   
   >>> in Britain either.   
   >>   
   >>It did over time, courtesy Emperor Claudius, the great White-Washed courtesy   
   >>Robt. Graves, no less. Claudius simply hung the inhabitants of entire   
   >>regions; that is his legacy. Only the caost of Wales and extreme Cornwall   
   >>was spared slaughter. The population diminished from an estimated 5 million   
   >>to 2 in the subsequent 3 century holocaust - do not deny it.   
   >>   
   >>> Then came the Angles, Jutes, Saxons and Franks. This was not an invasion,   
   >>> per see, but an invitation from the southern area of the British Isles but   
   >>> not from the North and West of those Isles. Next   
   >>   
   >>Slowly! I do not think there was particular invitation - who, say you,   
   >>issued it?   
   >>   
   >>Jumping ahead 600 years...   
   >>   
   >>> came the Normans and although Norman Knights did come to Scotland they, by   
   >>> no means ruled it. Though Robert De Brus was a Norman Knight who brought   
   >>> the Northern Scots into, (more or less), union with the rest of Scotland.   
   >>   
   >>My own family is responsible for 'refuting' several incursions, including   
   >>the Bonny Duke of Moray who came 'dancin thru the toon'; the Innes's   
   >>murdered the southron bogart.   
   >   
   >This is all news to us! The Bonnie Earl of Moray was a well-known   
   >figure in his day, but I don't think the family ever aspired to a   
   >dukedom. You could always phone the current Earl and enquire. The   
   >family seat is Doune Lodge, near Doune, Stirling -   
   >   
   >Call +44 1422 323 200 and ask if his Lordship can come to the phone.   
   >If he can't, ask for his son, Lord Doune.   
   >>   
   >>> So from before the Roman's came to Britain until long around the time that   
   >>> Jamie Saxt took over the English throne the Scots were speaking different   
   >>> versions of all those pan-European languages that you claim make up modern   
   >>> English. Laughably you ignore the simple fact that most Scots still speak   
   >>> either Gaelic or a form of Lowland Scots, or even both, in addition to   
   >>> Standard English.   
   >>   
   >>They do not Sir, and you lecture someone whose name is Highland Scot.   
   >>   
   >>Scottish Gaelic has of habitual speakers now just 30,000 persons. Irish   
   >>Gaelic some 22,000 speakers, Welsh 326,000 habitual speakers, and for Breton   
   >>250,000 habitual speakers. [census 1991] More understand it than speak it,   
   >>particularly in Wales where the numner is 1.1 million people. But of Scots   
   >>Gaelic only 55,000 now understand it.   
   >>   
   >>Almost all Scots do not understand the Gaelic, and are no longer   
   >>Curadh-uasisle Inssi Gall. You understand this phrase?   
   >>   
   >>> The first study I made of the English language origins started with a   
   >>> reference to an, "Expert", and upon reading her theory it started out with   
   >>> the premise that Latin was spoken in Roman Britain but on the very next   
   >>> line made the wrong assumption that this was the entire British Isles ad   
   >>> thereafter used the term Britain without realising Roman Britain was a   
   >>> very different thing. Did you, perhaps, study under this lady expert?   
   >>   
   >>Perhaps! But not language.   
   >>   
   >>Beware 'experts' and romantic sound-bite opinion.   
   >   
   >By God, after reading the above, we'll take good note of that warning!   
   >   
   >"Far am bi neach-eachdraidh Ameireaganaich, bi pailteas cac capaill   
   >ann airson an t-sluagh a bhiathadh." as the (fresh off the press this   
   >minute) proverb says... *   
   >   
   >* (Where there is an American historian, there will be plenty horse   
   >shit to feed the crowd.)   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>All European languages   
   >>emerged from the central Celtic root~,   
      
   All European languages did not. You're just inventing this as you   
   wander happily alone. We've had people like you beforetey to tell us   
   about ourselves, but few were as wide of their marks as you.   
      
   >>and what we discuss here is merely   
   >>the division of the tongue over the past 6,000 years. More important is the   
   >>extant and varied culture of the peoples, tha gach beinn, gach cnoc, 's gach   
   >>sliabh.   
   >>   
   >>Phil Innes   
      
   I don't think we're really discussing anything, we're just reacting to   
   some of your more outrageous statements with mounting consternation.   
      
      
      
   The Highlander   
   Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,   
   togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus   
   toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)