XPost: soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.cornish, soc.culture.irish   
   XPost: soc.culture.scottish   
   From: micheil@shaw.ca   
      
   On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:57:15 GMT, "Chess One"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"The Highlander"  wrote in message   
   >news:52jec3h9lkuc6s4trkugfu0k39u6b93tt9@4ax.com...   
   >> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:47:49 +0100, "Westprog"    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>Féachadóir wrote:   
   >>>...   
   >>>>> I can see it being useful if it's necessary to represent how people   
   >>>>> are speaking, but I don't see it as important when processing a   
   >>>>> planning application for a gazebo.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Of course not. You speak a majority language, you take it for granted.   
   >>>   
   >>>The reason that I don't see it as important when planning a gazebo, in the   
   >>>case of Scots, is that the planning application is already valid Scots, if   
   >>>it's valid English.   
   >>   
   >> My God, are you ever out to lunch! There are many older Scots who   
   >> really can't speak "pure" English with any degree of success.   
   >>   
   >>>The same doesn't apply to Irish. The stacks of unread   
   >>>forms provided in every government agency in Ireland are clearly an   
   >>>essential part of ensuring the good health of the language.   
   >>   
   >> That really is a venomous remark and unworthy of you, Westprog, as I   
   >> battle to retain some degree of respect for your opinions!   
   >>   
   >> Would you rather that we all spoke American English? Language is the   
   >> very root of any culture,   
   >   
   >Not so. Culture is the very root of language.   
   >   
   >> and as the language dies, so does the   
   >> culture. Surely you don't want to see Ireland become a country of cute   
   >> American or English clones who think that "begorrah" is the beginning   
   >> and end of the Irish language?   
   >   
   >Trite.   
   >   
   >> To me, your statements are heresy.   
   >   
   >yet you speculate so much upon so little, and now speak of 'heresy' - but   
   >heretically of what subject?   
   >   
   >> You might as well call up Downing   
   >> Street or the White House and ask if Ireland can be taken over as a   
   >> dependency like Gibraltar or Puerto Rico.   
   >>   
   >> Dear God, spare me from Brit clones! We have enough of those in   
   >> Scotland, mangling the English language in their social-climbing   
   >> attempts to be mistaken for the residents of Belgravia!   
   >   
   >It is not a fight against anything except the /qualitative/ aspects of the   
   >culture that people sense is alack in their own lives. The language   
   >interchanged means nothing - not on its surface, nor elsewhere, since what   
   >people want is a sense of some root aspect of culture which is decent and   
   >better than tv or guide books - which are almostly universally trite.   
   >   
   >That is the truth of it, no matter how poorly expressed by one and all.   
   >   
   >Phil Innes   
      
   Why don't you comment on matters about which you have some knowledge.   
      
   To date, that seems to be nothing connected with the "Celtic" peoples,   
   their languages and their cultures.   
      
   As a matter of interest, since you have been rewriting Scottish   
   history and culture for us, do you have any academic qualifications   
   with which to back your many corrections of our version of our culture   
   and history?   
      
   A degree in hair-styling  will not cut the mustard.   
      
   The Highlander   
   Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,   
   togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus   
   toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)