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   "Robert Peffers."  wrote in message   
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   >> Sorry, but I find your point a bit blunt.   
   >>   
   >>> Scots thus became, mostly, a spoken language.   
   >>   
   >> All languages are mostly spoken languages - that is; speech is its   
   >> dominant force beyond any standard of correctness.   
   > The thing that made Scots far more a spoken language was that it was   
   > proscribed and thus not used in the running of education, business, church   
   > or government. The people still spoke it and they still do. For myself I   
   > had to learn the written spelling, grammar and costructs of my native   
   > language outwith the schoolroom. Furthermore, this once proud literary   
   > laguage that led Europe into the enlightenment had so much become only a   
   > spoken language it needed the likes of Chris Grieve, and his contempories,   
   > to re-standardise it. The Scottish National Dictionary Society also   
   > produced dictionaries after many years of neghlect of the language.   
   > Do you get the point now?   
      
   You learned to spell dialect speech, and call it Scots? Is that your point?   
   If it is a point, be sufficiently acuitous!   
      
      
   >> Tell me your opinion again after you have climbed Ben Macdui in   
   >> midwninter. Tell me what the old man said to you. Then you have better   
   >> basis to lecture a highland Scot of what is or is not to your speculatory   
   >> intent.   
      
   > I'm well over 70 and lived in Scotland all my life. My family, when I was   
   > young, camped and caravanned as I have also. I still do and there are very   
   > few parts of Scotland I do not know well and few throughout the entire   
   > UKthat I have not visited.   
   >   
   > What gives you the strange idea that because you claim to be a Highland   
   > Scot   
      
   I made no claim, I say I lived there. And Inneses only haild from there,   
   right?   
      
   > you are any more likely to be on nodding terms with the Old man of Ben   
   > Macdui than any other Scot?   
      
   Do you ask me a question that can be answered? Am I more likely? ROFL!   
      
   > "There is nowhere more Scottish than the Scottish Borders", (Bill McLaren,   
   > ((the voice of Scottish Rugby)), born 1923 at Hawick, Scotland).   
      
   Should you ever venture, even in your late years, further north, you may   
   encounter something entirely different about being, not a ''Scot' which is   
   some lowlander insistence, but about being where you are! This is less   
   assertive, and tends to sort out Highlanders from Romantics.   
      
      
   > I will not be lectured at, (though I will debate it), by anyone on the   
   > language I think in, and have spoken all my life.  Unless, that is, the   
   > lecturer can furnish me with better credentials in knowing my native   
   > language than I possess.   
      
   Credens! That is the Latin word you employ for your veracity - though speak   
   of your 'native' language!   
      
   You are bought and sold Saxon, Sir.   
      
   Is your language not assisted by your culture, and is 'credens' [or belief],   
   something Scot, which replaces experience of place in your mind?   
      
   Phil Innes   
      
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