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   "Robert Peffers."  wrote in message   
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   > Don't talk rot.   
   > Perhaps the works of such as Geoffrey Chaucer, 1343-1400, began the   
   > standardisation of English but,   
      
   But maybe the works of Gower, same period did the same? He wrote as much, as   
   was as well read.   
      
   > without doubt, the work of William Caxton, 1422 - 1492, saw the mass   
   > spread of printed books as never before and by the time of William   
   > Shakespeare, 1564 -1616, and such as John Donne, Ben Jonson, and Sir   
   > Francis Bacon English was soon well standardised.   
      
   The first published dictionary of English by Robert Caudray was 1604. A very   
   small publication, octavo, 120pp, with 2,500 words in it. Very uncertainly   
   did Shakespeare see it. What you mean by 'mass' would be of people who could   
   read and afford to buy books? How many quanititatively do you suppose that   
   was? Certainly, the Florio edition of Montaigne is said to have been read by   
   Shakespeare - though this is disputed, dispite it being the only book with   
   his name inscribed in it.   
      
   I do not follow any issue resulting from what I wrote to how you reply.   
      
   James spoke a dialect version of English, not some other language. Why   
   romance the issue? It is not that he was unread or less than... except   
   Elizabeth read extensively in Latin and Greek, and was very reasonably   
   fluent in French.... but I do not understand what basis you have in   
   contention in writing me.   
      
   Phil Innes   
      
   > Queen Elizabeth I, 1533-1603, wrote this -   
   >   
   > On Monsieur's Departure.   
   > by Elizabeth I, Queen of England.   
   >   
   > I grieve and dare not show my discontent,   
   > I love and yet am forced to seem to hate,   
   > I do, yet dare not say I ever meant,   
   > I seem stark mute but inwardly do prate.   
   > I am and not, I freeze and yet am burned,   
   > Since from myself another self I turned.   
   > My care is like my shadow in the sun,   
   > Follows me flying, flies when I pursue it,   
   > Stands and lies by me, doth what I have done.   
   > His too familiar care doth make me rue it.   
   > No means I find to rid him from my breast,   
   > Till by the end of things it be supprest.   
   > Some gentler passion slide into my mind,   
   > For I am soft and made of melting snow;   
   > Or be more cruel, love, and so be kind.   
   > Let me or float or sink, be high or low.   
   > Or let me live with some more sweet content,   
   > Or die and so forget what love ere meant.   
   >   
   >   
   > James Charles Stuart was born on June 19, 1566 at Edinburg Castle in   
   > Scotland.   
   > He penned Daemoology, (Originally printed Edinburgh 1597), and this is the   
   > opening part -   
   >   
   > " I AM surely verie glad to haue mette with you this daye, for I am of   
   > opinion, that ye can better resolue me of some thing, wherof I stand in   
   > great doubt, nor anie other whom-with I could haue mette.   
   > EPI. In what I can, that ye like to speir at me, I will willinglie and   
   > freelie tell   
   > my opinion, and if I proue it not sufficiently, I am heartely content that   
   > a better reason carie it away then.   
   > PHI. What thinke yee of these strange newes, which now onelie furnishes   
   > purpose to al men at their meeting: I meane of these Witches?   
   > EPI. Surelie they are wonderfull: And I think so cleare and plaine   
   > confessions in that purpose, haue neuer fallen out in anie age or cuntrey.   
   > PHI. No question if they be true, but thereof the Doctours doubtes.   
   > EPI. What part of it doubt ye of?   
   > PHI. Even of all, for ought I can yet perceaue: and namelie, that there is   
   > such a thing as Witchcraft or Witches, and I would pray you to resolue me   
   > thereof if ye may: for I haue reasoned with sundrie in that matter, and   
   > yet could never be satisfied therein.   
   > EPI. I shall with good will doe the best I can: But I thinke it the   
   > difficiller, since ye denie the thing it selfe in generall: for as it is   
   > said in the logick schools, Contra negantem principia non est disputandum.   
   > Alwaies for that part, that witchcraft, and Witches haue bene, and are,   
   > the former part is clearelie proved b the Scriptures, and the last by   
   > dailie experience and confessions.   
   > PHI. I know Yee will alleadge me Saules Pythonisse: but that as appeares   
   > will not make much for you.".   
   >   
   > Oviously Elizabeth's English of around that time could easily have been   
   > written today but the Scots language of James was far from being the same   
   > as the English  of Elizabeth. There is, though, an obvious relationship.   
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   > Robert Peffers,   
   > Kelty,   
   > Fife,   
   > Scotland, (UK).   
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