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   "Cloudberry@btinternet.com"  wrote in message   
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   > Re Tara, one of the male Guiness heirs was called Tara Guiness, he died in   
   > a car crash after some scandal in the 1960's. The stone of Tara is a great   
   > simulacrum of a penis, the nearby hill of Tara is a neolythic tombe.   
      
   Which is a simulcrum of a vagina, no?   
      
   > Tara is also a girls name in India but in Ireland it is a boy's name. As   
   > an American, or so I presume, you are not to know that a cloud means a   
   > hill, a cloudberry is a plant that lives on hilltops.   
      
   As a Cornishman I know that the word is from Staffordshire.   
      
   In England a cloud-berry is the ground mulberry [North] and from CLOUD; a   
   hill [Staffs.] But cloud-berry contains a redundancy, since CLOUE [A. Norm.]   
   means a fruit or berry, so the word means berry-berry, just as Chete-Wood   
   means wood-wood, and Glas/ton-bury means Glas/town-town. These bloody   
   Normans couldn't get over themselves, no?   
      
   > The opposite of a cloud is a hope, which means a valley.   
      
   it also means a hill! The term occurs in the Morte Arthure, MS Lincoln, f.   
   80; "thorowe hopes". incidentally, another word with meanings of hill and   
   dale, is HOVER. and a similar word to CLOUE is CLOUGH [North] which is a   
   vale.   
      
    > A beck is what you Americans call a creek, and   
      
   that's because creek is older, and came over with the Pilgrims ;)   
      
   BECK: a small stream, the earliest cit I can find is   
      
       The tung, the braine, the paunch and the neck,   
       When they washed be well with the water of the beck.   
           /Booke of Hunting, 1586   
      
   Origins for CREAK: are far more most certain, and perhaps 1,000 years   
   earlier, yet a few hundred years before the reference above it meant [among   
   other meanings] a wicker basket, such as might be used for washing, hence   
   the association of the place with the activity. KERCH, a kind of pan.   
   [Devon]. But the association was from the name of the 'creek' to the basket   
   or pan, so to speak. [See the A. Sax. below]   
      
   KECCHE: to catch //Kyng Horn, 1377.   
   and a KECKY is anything hollow, or hollowed out, like what the stream does   
   to the landscape.   
      
   KYDEL: a dam in a river for taking fish. //Ashmole's Theat. Chem, Brit 1652.   
   p. 71   
      
   But the word CREEK is truly ancient - at least Anglo Saxon, from /creke/,   
   /cryke/; a creek, a bay - which is old Saxon as /kreek/ [G], and /kriki/ is   
   [Icel./Norsc]   
      
       "smaller than a river, but larger than a brook."   
      
   Interestingly, American local dialects reflect the phoneme 'Krik', as if   
   following the Icelandic.   
      
   Cordially, Phil[ologist?] Innes   
      
   > becks are cause by rain that falls upon clouds and becks flow at the   
   > bottom of hopes.   
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