From: ian@mcclure.net   
      
   Cloudberry@btinternet.com wrote:   
   > "Iain MacGiolla-odhar"  wrote in message   
   > news:4705ABBD.3010004@mcclure.net...   
   >> DruidEire@cablenet.ie wrote:   
   >>> On Sep 30, 8:08 am, "Cloudbe...@btinternet.com"    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>> "Iain MacGiolla-odhar"  wrote in message   
   >>>>   
   >>>> news:4700085A.60809@mcclure.net...   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Alfred C. Shine wrote:   
   >>>>>> Can someone define for me, please, a Celt?  I've heard and read so   
   >>>>>> many differing and conflicting definitions.   
   >>>>> A Celt is anyone who takes Celtic culture as their own. Typically, it   
   >>>>> is   
   >>>>> someone who:   
   >>>>> 1. Uses or is learning a Celtic language.   
   >>>>> 2. Takes part in Celtic cultural events such as (as a small sample)   
   >>>>> choirs, festivals, music, dancing, sporting events.   
   >>>>> 3. Feels part of the Celtic world.   
   >>>>> It is not based on genetic descent, especially since the genome of   
   >>>>> Celts   
   >>>>> is already a mixture of people with a Basque base plus   
   >>>>> Anatolian/Adriatic   
   >>>>> Indo-European, Berber, Egyptian and Semitic influences.   
   >>>> Point 1, Anyone can learn a Celtic language, and indeed they would if   
   >>>> there   
   >>>> were any literature of note written in any of the Celtic languages,   
   >>>> which   
   >>>> there is not.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Point 2. Celtic folklore is more important than jigging up and down to   
   >>>> harps   
   >>>> and fiddles.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Point 3. Your view about descent rejects French people, the French are   
   >>>> direct descendents of the Gauls, they are just as Celtic as you, perhaps   
   >>>> even more so. Feeling part of the Celtic world, IF all parts of the   
   >>>> Celtic   
   >>>> world are included, is o.k., for example some Turkish and Czeck "feel"   
   >>>> Celtic.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The problem is the filthy Southern English claim that everyone south of   
   >>>> Hadrian's Wall, west of the River Tamar, and West of Offa's Dike (NOT   
   >>>> Offa's   
   >>>> wife please note), are genetically pure members of the white Anglo-Saxon   
   >>>> master race.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Cloudberry   
   >>> Yes, Cloudberry is correct. Modern forensic studies, research and   
   >>> analysis over the past seven years have proved beyond a shadow of a   
   >>> doubt that the Celts never invaded, nor came en masse, to Ireland - or   
   >>> Britain either. .   
   >>>   
   >>> Michael McGrath   
   >>> Archdruid of Ireland,   
   >>> The Order of Druids in Ireland , The ODI.   
   >>>   
   >> Yes, indeed, to quote from the Wiki: "The Greek historian Ephoros of Cyme   
   >> in Asia Minor, writing in the fourth century BC,   
   >> believed that the Celts came from the islands off the mouth of the Rhine"   
   >> which describes the location of   
   >> Britain and Ireland rather well - so the Celts may indeed have migrated   
   >> the other way TO THE CONTINENT FROM THE   
   >> CELTIC ISLES rather than vice-versa. He also said they may have done this   
   >> to escape social unrest such as war and natural   
   >> calamities such as tsunamis - to quote: 'who were "driven from their homes   
   >> by the frequency of wars and the violent   
   >> rising of the sea".'.   
   >> ...and DNA evidence backs up what you say.   
   >>   
   > The P-Celtic population were squeezed between the Teutons and the Gaul, so   
   > they crossed what was called the misty sea to the British Isles, but the   
   > Beaker people were already there, and the neolythic farmers, but at least   
   > the Celts imposed their language and culture upon the Gwyddeliau.   
   >   
   >   
   Recent research has overturned this notion and determined that the   
   Celtic languages developed initially in the Celtic Isles and Atlantic   
   fringe Europe from proto-Celtic (like preserved in Lusitanian and   
   Tartessian inscriptions in Portugal and Spain) that spread with an early   
   sailing "skin-boat" agricultural colonizers from Anatolia to the   
   Adriatic-Balkan area to coastal Iberian peninsula and were largely   
   absorbed by the Basque Epi-Mesolithis fisherfolk with a minority of   
   Hamitic (Berber-Egyptian) Capsian culture boat people who carried the   
   new agricultural language north along the Altantic fringe developing   
   into an advanced neolithic society particularly in the Lisbon area,   
   Galicia and Brittany around 6,800 BP and finally settling in the Celtic   
   Islands in a wave of sea-borne migration bringing the neolithic   
   "package" of advances around 6,000 BP. Later, around 5,500 BP they   
   further spread northwards coastally reaching the Low countries, North   
   Germany and Scandinavia and inland up the Rhine and developed into the   
   Germaninic-Italic branch which later further split as one lot stayed in   
   the north and the other travelled south mixing with the locals in both   
   areas as had happened in the Iberian peninsula. Each of these settlement   
   phases devloped their own flavours of the western Indo-European branch   
   and a variety of genetic mixes.   
      
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