XPost: soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.cornish, soc.culture.irish   
   XPost: soc.culture.scottish   
   From: innes8@verizon.net   
      
   "The Highlander"  wrote in message   
   news:2eaec399qauq5dnsasi624qu6m45pp2pmc@4ax.com...   
      
   >>> Actually, you should study some history before you do even that.   
   >>   
   >>O god! Are you the person who is e-mailing too? You 'should'... etc..   
   >>zzzzzzzz Lest it not be clear - and take no personal offense if it is not   
   >>you, take your volunteered and gratuitous advice and put it up your   
   >>sporran.   
   >   
   > I have not emailed you; and will not be emailing you. I trust you will   
   > extend the same courtesy to me,   
      
   Which, given a modest cooling off period here, has proved to be a mutual   
   sentiment. What we espouse, we do in public, eh?   
      
   > as anything that needs to be said can   
   > be said in the forum where your original venture into the wilderness   
   > of your presumptions about the Celtic peoples and their neighbours   
   > first appeared.   
      
   Are you the person not from the highlands, but from the islands, now living   
   in Canada, who asserts there not residence as supreme - sorry if I have you   
   confused with another pretender, there are so many, these days, no?   
      
   >>>>> from the northern European plains, with its updated version 600 years   
   >>>>> later which we call Anglo Norman [which is Saxon via a 500 year   
   >>>>> sojourn   
   >>>>> in   
   >>>>> France].   
   >>>   
   >>> Anglo-Norman is NOT Saxon.   
   >>   
   >>Agree. The Normans were from Scandinavia, no? Tired of plundering Paris   
   >>they   
   >>settled down with nice French girls - who would not? Which is the import   
   >>of   
   >>the 500 year sojourn, or a bit longer even.   
   >>   
   >>>>More precisely, the Normans were Viking settlers inter-married in   
   >>>>France,   
   >>>>and their Saxon originated in Scandinavia.   
   >>>   
   >>> Saxon is a language found in places like Saxony, which is in Germany,   
   >>   
   >>Various forms of A. Sax originate across the northern Rhine. There are   
   >>several, and mutually incomprehensibe. Is this also your understanding?   
   >   
   > Oh, please! Do I come across as an illiterate?   
      
   No. But as a generally unlearned pedant whp pretends much more than he has   
   compassed.   
      
    >>> not Scandiavia.   
   >>   
   >>Which is what I said above - that these raiders settled in France with   
   >>their   
   >>Norsc variant of Saxon, which was the same as Viking, since they were, and   
   >>given 500 years belended that into the French - that is indeed why we   
   >>accuse   
   >>them of any Saxon-base to their language. Agree?   
   >   
   > I am prepared to agree that the above is howling nonsense.   
      
   This medium is ripe for such expressions. Most readers are prepared for   
   nonsense. But I see this is merely you declaration of such - and not any   
   actual representation of fact, which you continuously do not seem to feel is   
   necessary to entertain your friends.   
      
   pfft! what is that to me?   
      
   > By the way, perhaps you would be good enough to write using a   
   > vocabulary familiar to English speakers. For example, "belended" is   
   > not a word I remember from my school days - it has a vague hint of the   
   > Arthurian English so beloved of re-enactor groups.   
      
   I use it sometimes to discover pedants, not exactly so, but realy stupid   
   ones who cannot negotiate an additional key stroke to render belended as   
   blended.   
      
   But in all here so far, there is no reason to continue as if you actually   
   knew aught, is there?   
      
      
   >>> The Normans never spoke Saxon, and to this day, still   
   >>> don't. Instead they speak a form of French, which can be heard in the   
   >>> French of Quebec as a medieval dialect, much of it derived from the   
   >>> French of Normandy, Brittany and Poitiers.   
   >>   
   >>Il ne se prend pas pour de la merde, mais il ne sait rien de rien? Alors!   
   >>On   
   >>dit os à ranger, on ne va pas remoter du déluge. C'est plus qu'un crime,   
   >>c'est une faute.   
   >   
   > I congratulate you on your cutting and pasting skills.   
      
   Thank you.I suppose this means you do not contest the issue, but resent   
   someone actually knowing something?   
      
   >>But never mind Tallyrand, and never mind whatever Anglo Norman via the   
   >>conquest is held to be by others, la vâche!   
   >   
   > Je peux vous assurer que tout ce que vous avez écrit à ce moment pue   
   > de merde.   
   > (I can assure you that everything you have written so far stinks of   
   > shit.)   
      
   By your responses above, I do not quite understand how your nose is   
   sufficently elevated to any clean air, to differentiate yourself in public   
   from your predispostion to where you chose to place it.   
      
   I am sorry to be such a dissapointment, but if after this preamble you had   
   anything serious to say, I didn't read forward, since this method of post is   
   without sincerity, neither is it decent nor honest.   
      
   Phil Innes   
      
   >>----   
   >>   
   >>> Well, that was a fascinating wander through the garden of your mind,   
   >>> but there seem to be some grievous misunderstandings in your view of   
   >>> history and geography. Have you ever visited a Celtic country; sat   
   >>> down with the people; listened to their version of their history, or   
   >>> is this all packaged and readied for consumption in Detroit or   
   >>> Minneapolis?   
   >>   
   >>I am a Celt. Are you somewhere 'overseas' as in generations overseas?   
   >   
   > No. I was born and brought up in Scotland and, unusually perhaps, as   
   > my family moved around, speak all three Scottish languages, Gaelic,   
   > Scots and English. In later life I emigrated to Canada as so many   
   > thousands of Scots like me have done.   
   >   
   > What would it matter anyway? Had I been born and brought up in Nova   
   > Scotia, Canada, I could have been raised as a native Gaelic speaker   
   > and furthermore, could have completed a degree using the medium of the   
   > Gaelic language. There are probably more people learning Gaelic -   
   > Irish and Scots - in North America than there are in Ireland or   
   > Scotland.   
   >   
   >>Illustrate your points, should you have any that sensibly contest mine,   
   >>beyond this assertive stuff, or continue to illustrate that other thing,   
   >>which I think, is not born of any confidence.   
   >   
   > I confidently contest just about everything you've posted to date, but   
   > have no intention of opening a remedial school on-line for pretentious   
   > wannabes. I don't know what sort of trip you're on - ego, acid or   
   > alcohol, but you have plumbed new depths of ignorance and   
   > misunderstandings as far as I am concerned.   
   >   
   > Scots are arguably the best-educated people in Europe, as many   
   > centuries ago we recognized that education was the antidote to living   
   > out a life of poverty in a country with few resources apart from its   
   > people. Our compulsory Schooling Act was passed in 1496 A.D. and by   
   > the end of the 1700s, apart from the Highlands, Scotland was a   
   > literate country. England did not reach that point until the 1880s.   
   >   
   > To this day it is possible to have Scotland pay for your university   
   > education. I think that speaks volumes for the value that Scots place   
   > on education.   
   >   
      
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