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   From: innes8@verizon.net   
      
   "allan connochie"  wrote in message   
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   > Castle from my PC chair. Before we bought our own house we lived   
   > temporarily on Roxburghe Estate and Guy Innes-Ker, the Duke of Roxburghe   
   > and Chief of Clan Innes, was our bloody landlord. So yes I take an   
   > interest in Scottish history etc but in this case you're talking about the   
   > history of our exact location.   
      
   Let me instead engage you in an etymology on KER~   
      
   Can you date it as a pronoun?   
      
   I can find one uncertain Irish antecedent, and many more Anglo Saxon;   
      
   KERNE: an Irish foot soldier of the very lowest and poorest rank. Hence the   
   term was used as one of contempt, says Blount, "we take a kern most commonly   
   for a farmer, or country bumpkin," and the term occurs in that sense in the   
   King and a poore Northerne Man, 1640   
      
       Acquainted with rich and eke with poore,   
       And kend well every kerne whoore.   
           /Cobler of Canterburie, 1608.   
      
   KER: occasion, business [A. Sax.]   
      
   KERE: to recover; to cure  [A. Sax.]   
      
   --   
      
   KAIRE: to go; to proceed; to depart //MS Morte Arthure, MS Lincoln, f. 67   
      
   I dismiss KAREYNE which is late, from A. Norm meaning carrion, though there   
   is a northern transition of C and K in CAR-CROW also meaning carrion.   
      
   Here is a likely true q-Celtic stem, from Ireland:   
      
       KARROWS: A set of people formely in Ireland, who did nothing but gamble.   
   They appear to have been a bad set, and are decribed by Barnaby Rich as   
   playing away even their clothes. According to Stanihurst [p.45] "they plai   
   awaie mantle and all to the bare skin, and then trusse themselves in straw   
   or leaves...\" continues another 150 words.   
      
   CAR is also [A. Sax.] (1) a wood or grove (2) a rock   
      
   Interestingly, KERRF also means a rock /Gawayne.   
      
   Phil Innes   
      
      
      
   > Allan   
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