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      XPost: soc.culture.cambodia, soc.culture.canada, soc.culture.caribbean       XPost: soc.culture.catalan              MI5 Persecution Update: Friday. 30 April, 1999              If You. Intend To Reply, Please Read This       Please..... keep your response to one page!. Faxes over a page or two will       be deleted without. being read.              Somewhere between 0 and. 100%              The last few days there have. been no clear recordable instances of       abuse. However, while. travelling on the Underground, while walking around       near my home and going to friends homes, I am constantly. troubled by       thoughts that. those people over there might be about to get at me; that       the couple sitting in the. opposite seats laughing are in fact laughing at       me; et. cetera, et cetera.              A comment by a. scientist to the BSE inquiry sticks in my mind. He       described the possible scale. of the epidemic as "between 0% and 100%". It       might not be happening, it. might not happen at all, to any discernable       degree.... or it might be total. Without. clear recording, which seems to       have become impossible. the last couple of weeks, there is no way of       knowing whether the harassment really. is continuing, whether we have       entered a temporary hiatus, or whether perhaps it has perhaps stopped. for       now.              But. for the time being I think there arent any reasons to dicontinue these       faxes. I only re-started them six. weeks ago in response to a resumption of       MI5 harassment; and I. think I will need to be more convinced of absence of       persecution before I discontinue. my complaints.              The Newscasters. are still watching              In the last. few weeks there have been at least a couple of fairly overt       instances of "interactive watching" by newscasters.. I reported this in a       previous "MI5. Persecution Update".              These instances. are really very rare compared to 1990-91, when there were       many dozens of such occurrences. Undoubtedly the reduction. is due to my       practice of videotaping everything I see. Recently I had the. opportunity       of showing this years "happenings". (Jon Snow/Nicholas Witchell) to my       psychiatrist, and he agreed that in. both cases the newscasters were       expressing. merriment without visible cause, and that objectively it might       be possible for my claims to be true - although of. course other people       reported similar thoughts to him, and this thinking is. usually a symptom       of. illness.              Read About the MI5 Persecution on the. World Wide Web              The March 1998 issue (number 42) of .net Magazine reviews the. website       describing it as an "excellent site". Since. August 11, 1996 over 50,000       people have. browsed this website.              You are. encouraged to read the web pages which include              a FAQ (frequently asked questions) section outlining the. nature of the       persecutors, their methods. of harassment through the media, people at work       and among. the general public              an evidence section, which carries audio and video. clips of media and       workplace harassment, rated according to how directly I think they refer to. me              objective descriptions of the state. security agencies involved              scanned texts of the complaints I have made to media. and state security       agencies. involved              posts which have been made to. netnews over the last four years on this topic              Keith Hill MP (Labour - Streatham), my. elected representative, as ever       refuses to. help.              MI5 Waste Taxpayer. Millions on Pointless Hate-Campaign              Recently I. was talking to an independent observer about the nature and       purpose of the. perceived campaign of persecution against me. The person I       spoke to,. a highly intelligent man, said he was struck by the utter       pointlessness of the perceived campaign against. me. He also said that, if       my theories were in fact true, many people would have to be. involved, in       the surveillance itself,. and in the technical side of the delivery of       information from my home to TV studios for example, if. the "interactive       watching" were happening as. described. He voiced these thoughts without       any prompting from me; but both I and other observers had arrived. at       pretty much the same conclusions, some years. ago.              I saw a team of four men at Toronto Airport in. 1993              To carry. out the surveillance alone, full-time, would employ four or five       men, or their equivalent in terms of man-hours. Each man would "work". an       eight-hour shift, so you would need. at least three men doing the       surveillance, plus a connecting link / manager. An. indicator that this       estimate is correct arrived in 1993, when. I was accosted by one of a group       of four men at Toronto Airport; he said, laughing, "if he tries to. run       away well find him". Plainly these. were the men who had been involved in       the intrusive surveillance. of me for the preceding three years.              On other occasions, I have seen the same man. on two or three occasions. On       one such occasion, at. Ottawas Civic Hospital in November 1996; he gave his       name to the doctor. as "Alan Holdsworth" or some such; my hearing is not       very good sometimes and I am. not sure of the surname, although I am sure       "Alan" was his first name. I saw exactly the same man again in. Ottawa, at       the airport, in July 1998. Obviously,. other people must be "working" with       this person; he would not. be the sole agent employed in this case.              Usenet readers views on. the Cost to MI5 of Running the Campaign              Here's what a couple of other people on internet. newsgroups / Usenet       (uk.misc) had to say regarding the. cost of running such an operation...              PO: >Have some sense, grow up and smell reality.. What you are talking about       PO: >would take loads of planning, tens of thousands of pounds and lots. of       PO: >people involved in. the planning, execution and maintenance of it. You       PO: >must have a very high opinion of yourself to. think you are worth it.              and......              PM: >But why? And. why you? Do you realize how much it would cost to keep       PM: >one person under continuous surveillance. for five years? Think about       PM:. >all the man/hours. Say they _just_ allocated a two man team and a       PM: >supervisor. OK., Supervisor's salary, say, #30,000 a year. Two. men,       PM: >#20,000 a year each. But they'd need to work in shifts --. so it would       PM: >be six men at #20,000 (which with on-costs would work. out at more       like       PM: >#30,000 to. the employer.)       PM:. >       PM:. >So, we're talking #30,000 x 6. #180,000. plus say, #40,000 for the       PM: >supervisor. #220,000. Then you've got. the hardware involved. And       PM: >any transcription that needs doing. You don't think. the 'Big Boss'       PM: >would listen to hours and hours of tapes, do. you.       PM:. >       PM: >So, all in all, you couldn't actually do the job for much less. than       PM:. >a quarter million a year. Over five years. What are you doing that makes       PM: >it worth the while of. the state to spend over one and a quarter million       PM:. >on you?              Those are pretty much the sort. of calculations that went through my head       once I stopped to consider what it must be costing. them to run this              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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