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   Here is one such thread where they did everything to try and convince   
   us that these Oaths are fakes:   
      
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   Notice how persistently and relentlessly they posted, trailing all our   
   posts with even repetitive messages as if to address some emergency!   
   THEY REFUSE TO EVEN JUST CONDEMN THE WORDS OF HATE IN THE JESUIT OATH   
   LIKE THEY CONDEMN US.  They frequently posted to each other that we   
   post nonsense, were mentally ill and should be ignored or "killfiled"   
   (meaning put on their ignore lists [if not anything else literally!]).   
   The problem is, contrary to their admonitions to ignore us, the Jesuit   
   Oath demands RELENTLESS warfare against their enemies.  WHICH IS GOING   
   TO WIN OUT?  You got it!  The Jesuit Oath!  So they constantly post   
   without letup and trail our posts.  We constantly ask them why they   
   keep trailing the posts of mentally ill people, and they ignore us and   
   continue to follow the Jesuit Oath by relentlessly posting against us.   
      
   But then we brought up another issue, and that is the Ustashis of   
   WWII.  Who were they?  They were the most brutal killers known to man   
   in the 20th century!  They were Catholics, and, as for centuries   
   historically--though still denied--they demanded that all others   
   convert to Catholicism or die often in the most heinous and disgusting   
   ways!  What would be the response about the atrocities committed by   
   the Ustashis?  They told us that the Jesuit Oath is fake and they   
   therefore cannot condemn something that is untrue.  Can they say that   
   the Ustashis did not exist?  They absolutely refused to condemn the   
   Ustashis also!   
      
   The record of atrocities done by the Ustashis included pushing their   
   victims off of cliffs, pushing them live into furnaces, and one   
   popular atrocity against their victims was to gourge their eyes out of   
   their sockets!  Reading these hateful crimes was futile to the strange   
   people posting on the internet who were very sensitive to   
   "name-calling."  Not only did they show apathy, THEY ALWAYS REVERTED   
   THE FORCE OF THE CRIMES BACK UPON US WHO REVEALED THEM, claiming that   
   they only see supreme hatred in us, and how we were demonic and evil.   
   They did everything to divert from what was shown.  THEY DID   
   EVERYTHING TO AVOID CONDEMNING THOSE ACTIONS!!  TO THIS DAY THEY   
   CONDEMNED NONE OF THE ATROCITIES BROUGHT BEFORE THEM!  Yet another   
   point mentioned in the Grigozono letter below that the Ustashis did   
   was that they CRUSHED INFANTS HEADS AGAINST WALLS!!  This is following   
   the exact wording of the Jesuit Oath!  The Ustashis, in order to show   
   their delight in their mass murders, ACTUALLY PHOTOGRAPHED THEMSELVES   
   TO SHOW THEIR JOY TO THEIR SUPERIORS WHOSE ORDERS THEY WERE CARRYING   
   OUT TO CRUCIFY ALL NATURAL AFFECTION IN ORDER TO CARRYOUT THEIR   
   COMMANDS!  Want to see some?  Try this link:   
      
   http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Grizogono.htm   
      
   Privislav Grigozono was a Catholic Croat who in the link above details   
   conservatively the crimes of the Ustashis.  ALL THIS TOOK PLACE IN THE   
   1940s AND SERVE AS A CONTINUATION OF EVENTS DOCUMENTED IN PROTESTANT   
   HISTORICAL RECORDS!   
      
   HERE IS A VERY KEY POINT THAT ULTIMATELY WILL AFFECT YOU!  THEY   
   REFUSED TO CONDEMN THE ATROCITIES OF THE USTASHIS, THE ATROCITIES   
   DOCUMENTED IN THE JESUIT OATH, AND LASTLY, THEY REFUSED TO CONDEMN TED   
   SEEBER FOR APPROVING OF THE MASSACRE OF ALL NON-CATHOLICS!  TO THIS   
   DAY EVEN THE "ADVENTISTS" THAT ENTERED TO ATTACK BROTHER MCMILLAN,   
   REFUSED TO EVEN CONTRADICT OR CONDEMN SEEBER'S ATTACKS AGAINST LIBERTY   
   AND THE CONSTITUTION, WHILE CONSTANTLY ACCUSING US OF NOT ALLOWING   
   OTHERS TO DISAGREE WITH US!  They have condemned Catholic doctrines   
   before, but they absolutely could not bring themselves to publicly   
   condemn the atrocities we brought before them detailing the attitudes   
   of the killers with each action!  WHY?  Let's find out!   
      
   Let's see what EVEN THE NAZIS thought about the atrocities of the   
   Ustashis IN COMPARISON TO THESE POSTERS ON THE NEWSGROUPS:   
      
   Worldmark Encyclopedia of the Nations, Europe, edition 1995, page 91,   
   entry: Croatia   
   Quote:   
   Slavko Kvaternik [the second in command to the Croatian WWII fuehrer,   
   Dr Ante Pavelic] explained [on the day of formation of the WWII   
   "Independent State of Croatia", on April 10, 1941] HOW PURE CROATIA   
   SHOULD BE BUILT - by forcing one third of the Serbs to leave Croatia,   
   one third to convert to Catholicism, and one third to be EXTERMINATED.   
   Soon Ustasha bands initiated a BLOODY ORGY of mass murder of Serbs   
   unfortunate enough not to have converted or left Croatia on time. THE   
   ENORMITY OF SUCH CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR SHOCKED EVEN THE CONSCIENCE OF   
   GERMAN COMMANDERS...   
   (End quote)   
      
   So terrible were the crimes that were done by the Ustashis, that when   
   THE NAZIS heard of them, they were cut to the heart!  BUT THE POSTERS   
   ON THE INTERNET YAWNED THEM OFF AND REVERTED ALL CONDEMNATION UPON   
   US!!  NOT EVEN A SINGLE MENTION OF REGRET OR CONSTERNATION WAS SHOWN!   
   THEY DIDN'T DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM THE USTASHIS!  They continued to   
   constantly post that we hated "all Catholics" shown by our condemning   
   the Ustashis.  We objected and asked why the Ustashis are   
   representatives of "all Catholics."  We said we don't think all   
   Catholics would want the Ustashis to be their representatives.  They,   
   claiming to come from different denominations, still continued to   
   complain in the air constantly how we hate and condemn ALL Catholics   
   because we expose the Ustashis or EVERYBODY who disagrees with us.   
   They continued their activities without letup!   
      
   They then brought in another lying concept.  They kept telling us that   
   they couldn't condemn the Ustashis because the victims of the Ustashis   
   also killed some of the Ustashis, and therefore no one could pinpoint   
   who is to blame!  That is actually just an assumption.  It is assumed   
   that a few of the Ustashis were killed by their victims during that   
   terrible period of modern barbarism.  They brought in a new lie that   
   BLAME IS SHARED and kept posting this lie!  They did this over and   
   over again repetitively.  Is this lie true?   
      
   How do we know that was a lie?  This was proven false just by their   
   actions on the forums and Brother Ted was again witty enough to point   
   them out.  They claim we must never name-call and that we are evil for   
   doing it.  We were constantly name-called by these people telling us   
   not to do that.  Since both sides indulged in this, no one can   
   pinpoint blame?  Why then do they ONLY attack us for this exceeding   
   great crime of hate to them called name-calling?  Brother Ted then   
   kept reminding them about the US response to 911, and asked if they   
   before had presented their case about blame being shared against the   
   Bush Administration since it took blood in response to 911 in   
   Afghanistan.  Of course, they had to ignore this question also and go   
   to the next lie!  Lastly, we brought out how, if they couldn't figure   
   out which side was the cause of the problem or actually thought that   
   blame was shared, THE NAZIS SURELY WERE ABLE TO!  They were shocked at   
   the brutality of the Ustashis, BUT NOT ABOUT ANY BRUTALITY OF THEIR   
   VICTIMS.  The quote above demonstrates where the problem in that   
   conflict lay showing how the Ustashis planned to make their country   
   100% Catholic.   
      
      
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