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   The strange posters even earlier defended the Ustashis, telling us   
   that PICTURES CAN BE FAKED, to coverup the unbelievable history:   
      
   http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm   
   20000830000327.27082.00000006%40nso-cm.aol.com&rnum=2   
      
   (They called Brother McMillan the "Anti-Ted" because Ted Seeber also   
   had the same first name.)   
      
   This they did after already easily condemning David Koresh and the   
   Branch Davidians based upon what they claimed were the pictures that   
   were shown on TV.  They saw the necessity of bringing up this new   
   concept that pictures can be faked after the Ustashis, who made David   
   Koresh look like Pee Wee Herman, were being discussed.   
      
   Therefore to this date, NOT ONE ATROCITY WAS CONDEMNED BY THEM, NOT   
   ONE STATEMENT AGAINST LIBERTY AND THE CONSTITUTION WAS CONDEMNED OR   
   OPPOSED BY THEM, BUT THEY FROTHED AT THE MOUTH TO EASILY CONDEMN US   
   FOR EXPOSING THOSE THINGS, CONSTANTLY LABELING US WITH THE WORD   
   "HATE!"  We are trying to show you there is a reason for this that is   
   linked with the future.  There is a reason for their constantly   
   attaching the accusation of hate against us.  It is actually a death   
   wish against us for the future!   
      
   But now again, the question is why there seems to be a movement to   
   conceal past atrocities.  Again, why did they do these things?  Why   
   was it so important to make sure not one condemnation of atrocities   
   was found to come from them?  Hold on to your hats now and brace   
   yourselves for this one!  The reason why they did this was...   
      
   HOMELAND SECURITY/ANTI-TERRORISM!!   
      
   YOU HEARD RIGHT FOLKS!!   
      
   Brother Ted has constantly been irritated at those who sided with the   
   government after September 11th when they moved in to again attack the   
   liberties of the people claiming such liberties had to be limited for   
   security.  We heard that before in the history of brutal regimes.  He   
   was constantly irritated when he heard many agreeing to be deceived   
   into the thought that they don't have to worry about the government   
   snooping out their personal information just so long as they have   
   nothing to hide.   
      
   Now comes the awesome conclusion and awesome fact many did not   
   understand.  Any free government under change that transforms to a   
   tyrannical one WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY INTERESTED IN WHO EVERYONE IS   
   AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE OR HOW THEY THINK.  When we warred against the   
   strange posters on the Adventist discussion forums, they were very   
   quickly into our profiles and complained that we provided very little   
   information there.  That was always a profound interest to them even   
   though they constantly told us our focus was to always only be upon   
   Christ.  WHY?   
   BECAUSE WHEN A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT IS FULLY MANIFESTED, ITS FIRST   
   MISSION IS TO...   
      
   DEAL WITH ITS ENEMIES!!  We're not talking about dealing with its   
   enemies over their behavior AFTER the new tyrannical government is   
   established.  We're talking about a tyrannical government GOING INTO   
   PAST RECORDS DURING TIMES WHEN A FREE GOVERNMENT EXISTED IN ORDER TO   
   KNOW WHO MIGHT GIVE THEM TROUBLE OR WHO WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH!   
      
   Such a government WILL SEEK THROUGH RECORDS TO DETECT PAST ACTIONS OF   
   THOSE WHO LIVED UNDER A FREE GOVERNMENT.  IT WILL THEN PENALIZE SUCH   
   INDIVIDUALS FOR THEIR PAST ACTIONS OR STATEMENTS!   
      
   YOU DON'T GET IT???  The following is what Brother McMillan posted on   
   the alt.religion.christian.adventist newsgroup, September  23, 2001,   
   under the title, "Re: SECURITY VS. PRIVACY".  In this and other   
   threads, Brother McMillan was contending against Ted Seeber who was   
   condemning the American Constitution AND YET SHOWING CONFIDENCE TO OUR   
   NATIONAL LEADERS:   
      
   Well those are the issues with government.  Government positions are   
   now filled with globalists as these internet media and forums are   
   filled with them.  The Communists and the Nazis were globalists.  How   
   can anyone in common sense seeing that our government is becoming more   
   and more tyrannical, come to the conclusion that they have nothing to   
   worry about with their privacy because they are not doing anything   
   wrong today?  If you even post that you favor liberty in any way   
   [liberty as we know it today], YOU ARE AN OUTLAW TOMORROW!   
      
   We're talking about CONSTITUTIONAL liberty here.  The enemies to it   
   believe what they are supporting is liberty also just as Seeber does,   
   BUT IN THEIR VERSION OF IT!  Remember Seeber telling us what true   
   liberty is?  Remember he said he wants the ability to bind people in   
   chains so they can demonstrate their liberty?   
      
   "The church . . . does not, and cannot accept, or in any degree favor,   
   liberty in the Protestant sense of liberty." -- (Catholic World,   
   April, 1870.)   
      
   But actually if you support the present CONSTITUTIONAL liberty, you   
   are a POTENTIAL outlaw tomorrow.  If you condemn the atrocities and   
   detail the sub-animalistic and hateful qualities of the killers, YOU   
   WILL BE A POTENTIAL VICTIM OF THE NEW GOVERNMENT TO COME AS THEY SIFT   
   THROUGH RECORDS OF ALL YOU SAID OR WROTE IN OUR PRESENT AND FREE   
   GOVERNMENT.  FOR THOSE ATROCITIES WILL AGAIN BECOME A WAY OF LIFE (OR   
   DEATH)!  BUT THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THOSE VATICANS POSTING ALSO   
   CONDEMNED ATROCITIES THAT ARE PLANNED TO RETURN?  IF THOSE VATICANS   
   POSTING DID THE SAME THINGS...   
      
   THEY WOULD BE THREATENED TO BE CONDEMNED ALSO!!  They therefore   
   couldn't afford to do this!  That would jeopardize their lives and   
   curtail the killings of innocent people soon to come as had always   
   been the historical practice of any Vatican-dominated environment   
   where there were no reprisals for them to worry about!  The killers   
   will not want to be forced to exterminate their own!   
      
   Think this is a lie?  Well just look at the facts:   
      
   We know that after September 11th, the Bush Administration moved   
   swiftly to show us that the Constitution of the United States was the   
   enemy!  They told us that they had to update their anti-terrorism   
   policy by seeking to do what they had been seeking to do for a long   
   time before September 11: limit or eradicate the liberties of the   
   people.   
      
   WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DID IN UPDATING THEIR ANTI-TERRORISM POLICIES WAS   
   TO NOT UPDATE BUT REGRESS THE CONSTITUTION!   
      
   THAT WAS JUST ABOUT ALL THEY DID!   
      
   They then put their ALREADY CONSTRUCTED AND BUILT snooping devices   
   CREATED WELL BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11!  Remember the FBI even insisted that   
   Carnivore, a powerful system created to snoop and archive all email   
   and other internet transmissions, was legal for them to build and   
   implement WELL BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11 AND UNDER MUCH OPPOSITION FROM TRUE   
   AMERICANS!  Such a device was never created before.  Why?  BECAUSE IT   
   WAS ILLEGAL OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO BUILD OR IMPLEMENT!!  Now the   
   government worked to legally use this and other unconstitutional   
   devices.  If they were legal already to use, they would not have   
   needed September 11th to claim they can now use it.  THEY HAVE ALWAYS   
   BEEN USING IT, but not legally!  People have opposed them even on the   
   internet for their unconstitutional behavior.  It was reported that   
   inquirng posts were deleted or bleeped as is the constant habit of the   
   strange posters and owners of the "Adventist" internet discusssion   
   forums!   
      
   However in the Anti-terrorism bill proposed by the Bush   
   Administration, they were showing us what was the enemy to national   
   security.  They proposed that the government be given the ability to   
   declare who is a terrorist.  They claimed that judicial review should   
   not be allowed--EVEN JUDGES COULD NOT REVIEW THEIR ACTIONS!!  That was   
      
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