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From: aha@nospam.no
Fell for a basic error ! Jesus did fulfill many prophecies and will fulfill
the rest upon his return ! Only when he has returned will all be clear :-)
and it ain't long ! Up goes the 3rd temple and down comes Christ from the
heavens a few years later :-) , make sure you get the right one though !!!
not the bloke in 2 Thess 2 , Jesus did upto week 69 then week 70 happens
2000 years later
"Eliyahu" wrote in message
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> Bs'd
>
> ..Who and what is the messiah? Let us check according to the Holy
> Hebrew scriptures what the messiah is supposed to do. .....
> ..
> Micha 5:2-9; "But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among
> the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me
> that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of
> old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time
> that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his
> brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand
> and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of
> the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for NOW shall he be great unto
> the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the
> Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our
> palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight
> principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the
> sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he
> deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when
> he treadeth within our borders. And the remnant of Jacob shall be in
> the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon
> the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
> And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of
> many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion
> among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down,
> and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. Thine hand shall be
> lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut
> off."
>
> Here we have very clearly physical redemption from earthly enemies:
> "And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword", "Thine hand
> shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall
> be cut off." These are very clear verses that can not be
> misinterpreted; when the messiah comes the Jewish enemies are going to
> be slaughtered. And the one coming forth from Bethlehem is to be a
> ruler in Israel, that is a king, or maybe nowadays a president, but
> not a wandering preacher and miracle healer.
>
> .........Zacheriah 9:9-10; "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion;
> shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he
> is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon
> a colt the foal of an ass. And I will cut off the chariot from
> Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut
> off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall
> be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the
> earth."
>
> They say that he did ride on a donkey, like the whole Middle East in
> those days, but that is where it stops. He did not bring any peace,
> the battle bow, the horses and the chariots, symbols of war, were not
> cut off from Jerusalem, and his dominion was not from sea to sea and
> to the ends of the earth; as a matter of fact, he did not have any
> dominion at all.
> In order to get around this problem, the Christian church invented the
> "second coming". However, nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures is it
> written that the messiah would come once, get himself killed, and come
> again in a second coming. This is a pure rationalization of Jesus'
> failure to function in any way as a messiah. Nowhere in any of the
> above prophecies does it indicate that there will be a gap of at least
> 2000 years between the birth of the messiah and the redemption.
> Nowhere does it speak about a messiah being tortured to death and
> coming back thousands of years later.
>
> .........Jeremiah 23:5-6; "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that
> I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and
> prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his
> days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is
> his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."
>
> ..........Jeremiah 33:14-16: "IN THOSE DAYS AND AT THAT TIME, will I
> cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall
> execute judgment and righteousness in the land. IN THOSE DAYS shall
> Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name
> wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness."
>
> When the branch of righteousness springs forth to David, when the
> messiah comes, THEN, IN THOSE DAYS, Judah will be saved and Jerusalem
> shall dwell safely. That means that it is impossible to squeeze in two
> thousand or more years between the coming of the messiah and the
> redemption of Judah and Jerusalem. Out goes the 'second coming'.
> However, there wasn't any redemption in the days of Jesus. Forty years
> after his death, in 70 CE, Jerusalem was totally destroyed by the
> Romans, the second Temple was burned down, and the Jews exiled. No way
> that the above prophecy was fulfilled.
> .
> .......... Isaiah 11; "And there shall come forth a rod out of the
> stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the
> spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and
> understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of
> knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick
> understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after
> the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
> But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with
> equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with
> the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay
> the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and
> faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with
> the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf
> and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall
> lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall
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