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   From: walksalone@dastardly.dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc   
      
   Perfectly Innocent wasted electrons with the following.   
      
   Follw ups set.   
      
   > walksalone  wrote   
   > in message news:...   
   > > Perfectly Innocent wrote:   
   > >   
   > > > EliyahuSilver@Hotmail.com (Eliyahu) wrote in message   
   > > > news:<7332f93b.0401291835.25076e23@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > Why the Jews don't believe in the NT   
   > > >   
   > > > The reason the Jews don't believe in the NT is that they don't believe   
   > > > in God. Most Jews are atheists for an excellent reason. To reject the   
   > > > testimony of Jesus Christ is to reject God Himself.   
   > >   
   > > Actually, you have it bass akwards, TITS, Jews don't believe in your   
   > > pantheon, for you don't believe in yaweh, the god of the Jews who closed   
   > > all vists to earth until that great day for the Jews, judgement day. A   
   > > thing you would have known if you had read your grimorie,   
   >   
   > I don't believe in a pantheon but I do believe it's proper to worship   
   > the son of man.   
      
   If you are xian, you have a pantheon, whether you ever understood that   
   or not. There are many gods in your pantheon, some major, most minor.   
   It is not for me to instruct you in these matters. But the information   
   is out there if you have the courage to find it. Thgat is not a   
   requirement BTW.   
      
   > "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a   
   > son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the   
   > Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority,   
   > glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every   
   > language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that   
   > will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be   
   > destroyed." Daniel 7:13-14 NIV.   
      
   Daniel??? Written about -165GH, claimed to deal with the coming messiah,   
   who was not from the line of David.  That Daniel?   
      
   Subtle hint, you are useing circular reasoning & that is no way to   
   access accurate information. Not to mentioon I am not a theist so quotes   
   from ypour grimorie are as meaningful to me a chants to Tane & Papa.   
   Well, the chants are more melodious but that's all.   
      
   > Real education is in studying the Bible and the testimony of Jesus and   
   > his apostles.   
      
   FGirst you need to ewstablish that a Jesus as claimed by xians existed,   
   historically he did not. Now there is a Jesuys of Galallie, but that is   
   a definitely different person.   
   Then you need to establish that he is not simply another saviour claim   
   [the world has around 20, including one female, that died for the sins   
   of their people] which are commomn back in that era.   
   Then you need to establish that he is what is claimed, historically he   
   can't be for he was supposed to be a nmessiah [hint, the messiah as a   
   Jewish concept means a real time hero that delivers Israrel from some   
   temporal difficulty, say the Roman occupation], & that job was never   
   asccomplished, for Israel remained subjugated.   
      
   > If you understood the primary source material for true education, you   
   > wouldn't be citing mythology. Jesus taught that we have the verdict of   
      
   Jesus who?? Exactly who is this Jesus & what non biblical evidence do   
   you have. As a concept, Jesus is pimped by many mythologies, yours   
   included. As a person, your Jresus was not even discussed during the   
   founding of your mythologyu, to include your founder Saul.   
      
   Side note, IIRC, Ignatius admitted that the claims for Jesus could have   
   been based on Appolonus of Tyre in one of his myrad writings. Might have   
   been one of his apologies, been a while since I've read it. Say 10-15   
   years ago.   
      
   > the final judgment now (John 3). Add to the Spirit's testimony the   
   > pretrial verdict of 70AD and we have conclusive proof that many who   
   > trust their own understanding are determined to resist salvation.   
      
   Not really, you have proof that gullability is not a virtue, just a   
   human trait. BTW, what pretrial event are you on about? & what   
   historical evidence do you have for it being what you claim.   
   If it is the claimed crucifixtion, I recommend yoiu study Roman law &   
   find out what crimes it could be invoked for. Even the Emporer couldn't   
   invoke iot for giggles & grins. There were only three crimes to my   
   knowledge that carried that sentence. Add to that, the body rotted on   
   the cross & was thrown in the village dump when it rotted away. Can you   
   figure out what kind of crimes would invoke a sentence like that?   
   Preaching love your fellow man was not one of them. Which accoding to   
   the xian grimorie was not the centeral message of the figmanet you call   
   Jesus of Nazarath.   
      
   > Eugene Shubert   
   > http://www.everythingimportant.org   
      
   walksalone who wonders, is it required to have no knowledge of history   
   to be a xian, it would appear so according to the majority of the   
   posters here.   
      
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