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   Message 164 of 1,739   
   Dore to The Last Church   
   Re: 1/2 Animal sacrifices & forgiveness   
   05 Feb 04 02:44:13   
   
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   From: dorewilliamson@verizon.net   
      
   "The Last Church"  wrote in message   
   news:776u10levuua81bd76c1e1pqh6upjql8lv@4ax.com...   
      
      
   > "you say . that God hath ordained the greater part of men for hell .   
   > Doth not the Scripture say God would have all men to be saved ..   
      
      
   NO, actually it states that the righteous will scarcely be saved and only   
   those who endure until the end,  and only those who DO the will of the   
   Father will enter the kingdom of heaven and that only a FEW will find the   
   straight and narrow road to salvation.   
      
      
   Matt 7:21-23   
   21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the   
   kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in   
   heaven.   
   22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in   
   thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many   
   wonderful works?   
   23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye   
   that work iniquity.   
   KJV   
      
   Matt 10:22   
   22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth   
   to the end shall be saved.   
   KJV   
      
   Matt 7:13-14   
   13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the   
   way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:   
   14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto   
   life, and few there be that find it.   
   KJV   
      
      
   1 Peter 4:17-18   
   17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if   
   it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel   
   of God?   
   18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the   
   sinner appear?   
   KJV   
      
   you wrote.   
   > ----In order to understand this, we must realize that for almost 16   
   > centuries the Bible was not available to the common people. Only in   
   > the middle of the 15th century was the technology to print books   
   > invented.   
      
   It doesn't matter, for in this day of JUDGMENT, the Bible is available to   
   ALL, so no man has excuse.   
      
   --   
   Dore   
      
   www.dorewilliamson.com   
      
      
      
   "The Last Church"  wrote in message   
   news:776u10levuua81bd76c1e1pqh6upjql8lv@4ax.com...   
   > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:43:14 GMT, "Dore"    
   > wrote:   
   > > ONLY   
   > >through faith and obedience to Him will any sins be forgiven.   
   > >Dore   
   >   
   > "Dearly beloved Friends, these things we do not lay upon you as a rule   
   > or form to walk by, but that all, with a measure of light which is   
   > pure and holy, may be guided: and so in the light walking and abiding,   
   > these things may be fulfilled in the Spirit, not in the letter; for   
   > the letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life."   
   >   
   > "you say . that God hath ordained the greater part of men for hell .   
   > Doth not the Scripture say God would have all men to be saved ..   
   > ...................................................................   
   >   
   > Maybe the question arises: If you can prove, in a small paper like   
   > this, that the New Testament is unreliable and leads to idolatry, then   
   > how is it possible that for 2000 years all the Christians never   
   > recognized this fact? --   
   > .............................................   
   > ----In order to understand this, we must realize that for almost 16   
   > centuries the Bible was not available to the common people. Only in   
   > the middle of the 15th century was the technology to print books   
   > invented. Before that time every copy had to be written by hand, which   
   > made it very expensive, and absolutely un affordable for the common   
   > people. After the invention of the printing press the Bible was almost   
   > exclusively printed in Latin, so that it could not be understood by   
   > the layman, but only by the clergy. The Roman Catholic Church did not   
   > want the Bible to be available to the common people, because they were   
   > afraid that when the people could read the Bible themselves, they   
   > would realize how they were cheated, and stray away from the   
   > mother-church. This was a justified fear, because as soon as the Bible   
   > became available to the masses, a major Christian reform movement   
   > arose. Hence the church used all means available to prevent Bible   
   > translations from reaching the common people. ...   
   >   
   > ----..The first translation of the whole Bible into a spoken language   
   > was into English, made by John Wycliff in 1380. But the church was not   
   > as grateful as you would expect. Forty-three years after his death, in   
   > 1428, his bones were dug up and burned at the stake, by command of the   
   > synod of Constance. Pope Martin V personally confirmed this order.   
   >   
   > In 1525 William Tyndale gave the English people his translation of the   
   > New Testament, and later of parts of the Old Testament.   
   >   
   > On the sixth of October 1536 he was strangled to death, and afterwards   
   > burned at the stake in Vilvorde near Brussels.WW   
   >   
   > Luther, who translated the Bible into German, was excommunicated by   
   > the church, a punishment that carried the death penalty on it, but   
   > died a natural death before the church could get its hands on him.   
   >   
   > .......In 1527 the Antwerp edition of Tyndale's New Testament was   
   > burned at St. Paul's Cross, London, and a little later mass burning of   
   > these works and the works of other translators began. (These facts and   
   > dates can easily be verified by means of the New Catholic   
   > Encyclopedia, by an editorial staff at the Catholic University of   
   > America, Washington, or through the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian   
   > Church, by Cross and Livingstone.)   
   >   
   > -------Later, when translations became widely available, the   
   > translations were usually corrupted at critical points, as shown   
   > before.   
   >   
   >   
   > .   
   > **************************   
   > A preacher is the blind   
   > leading the blind...   
   >   
   > The Last Church   
   > http://www.thelastchurch.org   
   > michael@thelastchurch.org   
   >   
   > alt.religion.thelastchurch   
   > alt.religion.the-last-church   
      
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