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   From: EliyahuSilver@Hotmail.com   
      
   Bs'd   
      
   On alt.messianic somebody posted the following about Micah 5:2;  "   
   "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans   
   of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.   
             His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of   
   eternity."   
      
    >whose goings forth have been from of   
   > old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time   
      
      
   From antiquity....so this suggests that this Messiah is coming forth   
   from   
   the beginning of time........  Which was?   
      
   No man born....can come from this beginning of time....hmm.   
      
   Strong's Ref. # 5769   
   or `olam {o-lawm'}; from HSN5956; properly, concealed, i.e. the   
   vanishing   
   point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e.   
   (practically)   
   eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional   
   prefix)   
   always:   
      
   Baruch Atah Adonai Elekenu Melech Ha Olam   
      
   So coming from the days of the universe.....   
      
   ## Here somebody is lured into thinking that the messiah was God   
   himself, becase it says that his origin was from "the days of   
   eternity"   
      
   But these are the outrageous lies and mistranslations the Christians   
   use   
   to lure unsuspecting victims into idolatry.   
      
   Let's look at some translations of Micha 5:2:   
      
   Micah 5:2 :: New American Standard Bible: ""But as for you, Bethlehem   
   Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you One   
   will   
   go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.  His goings forth are from long   
   ago, from the days of eternity."   
      
   Micah 5:2 :: King James Version:  "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah,   
   though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee   
   shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose   
   goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."   
      
   Micah 5:2 :: New King James Version: "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,   
           Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of   
   you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings   
   forth are from of old, from everlasting."   
      
   Micah 5:2 :: American Standard Version: "But thou, Beth-lehem   
   Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of   
   thee shall one come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose   
   goings forth are from of old, from everlasting."   
      
   Micah 5:2 :: Darby Translation: " And thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, little   
   to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall he come forth   
   unto me [who is] to be Ruler in Israel: whose goings forth are from of   
   old, from the days of eternity."   
      
   A ruler who's origin is "from eternity".   
   Has to be God, doesn't he?   
   How else can he be from "eternity"?   
      
   The Hebrew words here translated with "days of eternity" are "jamee   
   olaam".   
      
   The selfsame Hebrew words "jamee olaam" are used two chapters further   
   on in Micha, in chapter 7:14.   
   And now see how those same translations translate that same phrase   
   there:   
      
   Micah 7:14 :: New American Standard Bible: "Shepherd Your people with   
   Your scepter, the flock of Your possession which dwells by itself in   
   the woodland, in the midst of a fruitful field.  Let them feed in   
   Bashan and Gilead as in THE DAYS OF OLD"   
      
   Micah 7:14 :: King James Version: "let them feed in Bashan and Gilead,   
   as in the days of old."   
      
   Micah 7:14 :: New King James Version: " Let them feed in Bashan and   
   Gilead, as in days of old."   
      
   Micah 7:14 :: American Standard Version: "let them feed in Bashan and   
   Gilead, as in the days of old."   
      
   Micah 7:14 :: Darby Translation: "Let them feed in Bashan and Gilead,   
   as in the days of old."   
      
   And GONE are the "days of eternity", replaced by "days of old".   
   It has to be, because everybody understands that in "the days of   
   eternity" nothing was fed in Bashan and Gilead.   
      
   The same Hebrew expression;"yamee olaam" is also used in Deut 32:7;   
   "Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations; ask   
   your father, and he will show you; your elders, and they will tell   
   you."   
      
   And nobody in his right mind can translate it here as "days of   
   eternity".   
   And nobody does.   
   The vast majority of the translations says here "days of old".   
      
   The same Hebrew expression;"yamee olaam" is also used in Isaiah 63:11;   
   "Then his people recalled the days of old, the days of Moses and his   
   people- where is he who brought them through the sea, with the   
   shepherd of his flock?"   
      
   Also Moses didn't live in the "days of eternity".  Therefore nobody in   
   his right mind can translate it here as "days of eternity".   
   And nobody does.   
   The vast majority of the translations says here "days of old".   
      
   And there are more examples like these.   
      
   And so, by means of rotten and corrupted translations Christianity is   
   trying to deceive the people.   
      
   This deceit is a kind of covered up, if you cannot read Hebrew you   
   will not be able to see it.   
   But they are so bold & unashamed that they use clear lies to deceive   
   people into idolatry, only hoping that nobody is going to check it   
   out, as is unfortunately mostly the case.   
      
   The open clear-cut lies  are on the home page of "messiah revealed",   
   brought to our attention by the poster who reacted on my message.   
      
   My comment on yet another page with 324 of those horrible lies can be   
   found here:  http://www.geocities.com/Metzad/324lies.htm   
      
      
   And remember: It if was so clear that JC was the messiah, nobody would   
   start to post 300 lies in order to "prove" that he was the messiah.   
      
   Read my comment and weep….   
      
   If you want to know why Christianity is wrong and the Jews are right,   
   look here: http://www.geocities.com/Metzad   
      
      
   Eliyahu   
      
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