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   From: deluxe@alwaysme.com   
      
   Rafael Leyre wrote:   
      
   > deluxe  wrote in message news:<4-2dnegIeu   
   _uU_d4p2dnA@eclipse.net.uk>...   
   >   
   >>Frank Trebor wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>I agree, "deluxe", but you did not offer an alternative.....   
   >>   
   >>I wasn't asked to.   
   >   
   > <..>   
   >   
   >>>Jesus Himself quoted these two when asked which was the greatest   
   >>>commandment,   
   >>>Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all   
   >>>thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the   
   >>>first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt   
   >>>love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law   
   >>>and the prophets.   
   >>>   
   >>>I rest my case.   
   >   
   >   
   > In which way are my items vague? Take every word simply for what it   
   > is, and there will be no room for misinterpretation.   
   >   
   > You quote Jesus, but unfortunately I don't know this person. I am one   
   > of millions of people who grew up in a brutal world and have to figure   
   > out how to live. Unfortunately, the bible rings no bell to me.   
   >   
   > Am I not allowed to try to find a good morality out of my personal   
   > history? Must I have been brought up with the bible, or humbly submit   
   > to something I hardly understand, to be able to lead a good life?   
   >   
   > Is the core of your reaction that it is forbidden to have a personal   
   > conscience?   
   >   
      
   The core of my reaction is that your list of 'essential morality'   
   is ill defined. What is 'health care' and how does it relate to   
   'essential morality'? Is it immoral for me to not provide health   
   care for others? Is it immoral for me to open a women's hospital?   
   Is it immoral for me to treat people by discrimination on their   
   ability to pay? Is it immoral for me to prefer treatment of my   
   parents over treatment of others? What does this 'health care'   
   include? Does this include breast implant operations? Tatoo   
   removals? Plastic surgery for burns victims? Fertility treatment?   
      
   I could go on and on.   
      
   Why is it immoral not to have an aversion to something?   
   What is 'consideration'?   
   Why is it immoral not to have a desire for something?   
      
   >   
   > Rafael Leyre   
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