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   Marion vdwalt wrote:   
   > "David V."  wrote   
   >   
   >> Marion vdwalt wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> "David V."  wrote   
   >>>   
   >>>> Marion vdwalt wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Mani Deli  wrote   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> "We may define "faith" as the firm belief in   
   >>>>>> something for which there is no evidence.   
   >>>>>> Where there is evidence, no one speaks of   
   >>>>>> "faith." We do not speak of faith that two and   
   >>>>>> two are four or that the earth is round.  We   
   >>>>>> only speak of faith when we wish to substitute   
   >>>>>> emotion for evidence. The substitution of   
   >>>>>> emotion for evidence is apt to lead to strife,   
   >>>>>> since different groups, substitute different   
   >>>>>> emotions." [Bertrand Russell]   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Love - where is the evidence that this exists   
   >>>>> desire - where is the evidence that this exists   
   >>>>> Understanding - where is the evidence that this   
   >>>>> exists Happiness - where is the evidence that   
   >>>>> this exists   
   >>>>   
   >>>> All of exist as human concepts.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> They like faith are unique in that they can exist   
   >>>>>  without evidence.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> They have evidence, your god doesn't. Your god   
   >>>> exists only in the mythology of humans. Once you   
   >>>> realize that; you'll be better off.   
   >>>   
   >>> David sir, evidence that God exists is all around   
   >>> you.   
   >>   
   >> That's a claim, not proof. When you get proof then I'll   
   >> listen. It's obvious that you have a religious   
   >> addiction and need help. There are many here that can   
   >> help you. All you need to do is ask.   
   >   
   > Dear Sir, It is obvious that you DO NOT have a religious   
   > addiction...   
      
   Of course I don't. You do and I can help you get over it.   
   You know your gods are not real yet you just can't admit it   
   to other people. That's common. You're afraid you'll lose   
   your friends just the same way a person loses their   
   "drinking buddies" when they stop drinking. You don't need   
   those friends anyway since they are not real friends anyway.   
   Disagree with them on one little point and see how they   
   react. They need you to follow along with their charade to   
   bolster their own doubts. Remember, we're here to help you   
   if you want it.   
   --   
   David V.   
      
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