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   From: dirk@neopax.com   
      
   Iff you are awaiting the end times forget it because according to the   
   Bible the "End Times" Should Have ALREADY Occurred! If you have   
   invested in this event you have been done over. A word from the   
   founder and his side kicks may throw some light on your predicament.   
      
    Jesus and his apostles made MANY prophecies concerning the   
   Armageddon.  Christians would have you believe that it shall come as   
   "a thief in the night".  Yet, the Bible is rather clear concerning   
   when it would happen.  Matter of fact, the Bible consistently said it   
   would follow soon after Jesus’ death.  When you point out such verses   
   to Christians they will try to weasel it out of it by saying Christ   
   was talking about his "future" apostles versus the ones he was   
   directly speaking to.  All it takes is a close examinations of the   
   pronouns used in order to see that Christ truly did believe the end   
   times would have happened nearly 2,000 years ago.  Keep in mind that   
   the Bible claims it is "fit for reproof’ and Christianity "lives and   
   dies on the resurrection and end times". If we are to believe these   
   verses and accept that the end time prophecies failed then surely the   
   whole book is invalid.   
      
   False Prophecies About the Armageddon:   
      
   Jesus’ Predictions:   
      
   1) Jesus falsely prophesies DIRECTLY to the high priest (Caiphas) that   
   he would live to see his second coming.  Jesus uses the term "coming   
   on the clouds of heaven to the earth." This clearly negates the   
   "coming" as the resurrection but as a return to the earth on CLOUDS,   
   not his return in human form from the dead.  Matthew 26:64 & Mark   
   14:62.   
      
   2) Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and   
   establish his kingdom within their lifetime. Matthew 23:36 & 24:34   
      
   3) YET AGAIN, Jesus claims those standing RIGHT BEFORE HIM shall see   
   the Armageddon.  Matthew 16:28  "There be some standing here, which   
   shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his   
   kingdom."  Don’t let Christians lie to you and claim Jesus was   
   referring to his modern day believers.  The words "some standing HERE   
   will not taste death" clearly refutes such nonsense.  Obviously the   
   people he was speaking to died, and curiously Jesus STILL isn’t here   
   to claim his kingdom.   
      
   4) Jesus falsely prophesies that the end of the world will come within   
   his listeners’ lifetimes. Mark 9:1 & 13:30   
      
   5) Jesus falsely predicts that some of his listeners would live to see   
   him return and establish the kingdom of God. Luke 9:27   
      
   6) Jesus implies that he will return to earth during the lifetime of   
   John. John   
      
   21:22   
      
   7) Jesus says that all that he describes (his return, signs in the   
   sun, moon, wars, stars, etc.) will occur within the lifetime of his   
   listeners.  He purposely defines their generation and NOT a future   
   one.  Considering that NONE of those signs took place during the   
   resurrection and that he uses the term of "Heaven and earth shall pass   
   away", Clearly Jesus is prophesizing that nearly 2,000 years ago   
   Armageddon SHOULD have occurred.  Luke 21:25-32   
      
      
      
   John’s Predictions   
      
   8) John believes "the time is at hand," and that the things that he   
   writes about in Revelation will "shortly come to pass." Revelations   
   1:1-3   
      
   9) John quotes Jesus (1900 years ago) as saying he will come   
   "quickly." Revelations 22:7, 12 & 20   
      
   10) John thinks he is living in "the last times." He "knows" this   
   because he sees so many antichrists around. 1 John 2:18   
      
   11) John says that the antichrist was already present at the time 1   
   John was written. 1 John 4:3   
      
   12) John quotes Jesus (1900 years ago) as saying he will come   
   "quickly." Revelations 3:11, 22:7, 12 & 20   
      
   Paul’s Predictions   
      
   13) Paul thought that the end was near and that Jesus would return   
   soon after he wrote these words.  Philippians 4:5   
      
   14) Paul believes he is living in the "last days." Hebrews 1:2   
      
   15) Paul believed that Jesus would come "in a little while, and will   
   not tarry." Hebrews 10:37   
      
   16) In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Paul stated: "For the Lord himself   
   shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the   
   archangel, and with the trump of God: And the dead Christ shall rise   
   first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together   
   with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: And so shall we   
   ever be with the Lord."  Paul shared the delusion, taught by Jesus, in   
   that he expected to be snatched up bodily into heaven with other   
   saints then living, who would, thus, never taste death. The use of   
   "we" clearly proves as much. It is difficult to deny that Paul was   
   certain that the end of the world was coming in the lifetime of his   
   contemporaries.   
      
   Other Prophecies About Armageddon:   
      
   17) James thought that Jesus would return soon.  James 5:8   
      
   18) Peter wrongly believed that he was living in the "last times" and   
   that "the end of all things is at hand." 1 Peter 1:20 & 4:7   
      
   Dirk   
      
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