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|    Not Heaven and Not Hell - The Need to All    |
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|    31 Aug 04 08:23:37    |
      [continued from previous message]              around that person becomes a hell for him or her." (A'NANDA SU'TRAM,       CHAPTER 2, 2-20)              So:              "Human beings should move forward with a thorough knowledge of       propriety and impropriety. They must maintain a balance between       social propriety, political propriety and psychic propriety. One's       relations with one's brother, sister, mother, wife, etc, are all       different. One's behaviour with one's sister should not be the same       as it is with one's wife. Maintaining proper relations with       different sorts of people is part of propriety. Human beings must       not go beyond the limits of psychic propriety. If balance is       maintained and propriety is properly measured, then the world will       be an abode of dynamic adjustment (prama') - heaven will be       established on the earth.:" (YOGA PSYCHOLOGY, BIO-PSYCHOLOGY, 3 June       1987, Calcutta)              Some lecture that: "You know, only sinful people become ghosts after       death and, if they don't spend a lot of money on the last-rites,       they won't be able to go to heaven. That's why the poor ghosts have       to stay down in hell and rot there." (IN THE LAND OF HAT'T'AMA'LA')              Some say: "The more gifts given to the priest, the higher my       father's ascent into heaven will be. Therefore, I had to incur a       debt in order to properly arrange everything." (IN THE LAND OF       HAT'T'AMA'LA')              Who in the modern world will dare give such lectures about heaven or       hell? But some do, due to lack of spiritual understanding. Indeed!              "Almost every religion has claimed that only its followers are God's       chosen people and that the rest of humanity is cursed and bound by       the chains of Satan. One religion has declared, "Our prophet is the       only saviour. There is no escape from mundane sufferings except by       taking refuge in him." Another religion has declared, "I am the last       prophet. Prayers must be said before God a specific number of times       in a certain manner each day. Special animals must be sacrificed on       particular days. These are the wishes of merciful God. Those who       follow these injunctions will attain heaven on the Day of       Judgement." Yet another religion says, "Know ye, my son, thy God is       the only God. All other gods are false gods." Just imagine, all       these religions preach universal fraternity, and yet this universal       fraternity is kept within the confines of their own [religious]       community.* Humanity gasps for breath at such preposterous claims of       universal fraternity.              Carried away by the grandiose slogans of their respective religions,       the followers of these religions have at different times whipped up       a frenzy of communal (religious) hatred and indulged in orgies of       genocide. Had their founders seen such sights, they would have       hidden their faces in utter shame. Of all the bloodshed that took       place in the Middle Ages, a major part was a natural consequence of       this communal religiosity which is hardly a "universal fraternity".       (HUMAN SOCIETY PART 1, MORALISM)              This still goes on today. But remember:              "However dense the cimmerian darkness may be, the crimson dawn must       follow. The fiends of hell may burst out in loud laughter, but all       must fade in the void with the sunrise. The light of spiritual       practices shall dispel the thick darkness, notwithstanding the night       of the pangs of humanity. Sunshine is destined in human life."       (A'nanda Pu'rn'ima', 1973, A'NANDA VA'N'II SAM'GRAHA)              So let us remove this vile guise of condemning people by inferiority       complexes of sin and let us understand the meaning of good and bad       and that heaven and hell are within. Then we can also understand       that a person's crimes are something to be rectified so that they       can contribute to society. Punishment of itself is not a solution.       A proper human society needs to be built based on morality, and the       true meaning of spiritual practices can advance accordingly. People       are not born sinners.              "By nature human beings are not wicked; rather most people are peace-       loving and thus inclined towards personal purity. This inclination       of the individual keeps the collective mind pure." 3              "The very idea of heaven and hell is sheer nonsense anyway. Such       stupid ideas thrived in the minds of those who popularized ancient       myths, but they have no capacity to find a foundation in the solid       ground of rationality. If, however, in order to humour such fools, I       accept the existence of heaven and hell, I might ask, 'If the spirit       of a wicked husband goes to hell and grazes in the fields as a bull,       should his virtuous wife also go to hell after her death, become a       cow and start grazing beside him?'" 4              It should be mentioned here that:              "Those who want to keep women subservient to men by holding out       false hopes or the illusory prospect of heavenly enjoyment in the       afterlife, fail to understand that although such false hopes or the       lure of heaven may be sufficient to keep women passive or in       servitude, no real good can ever come to human society from this.       The reason is that if, due to dogma and superstition, half of       society is bogged down in a state of inertia, the other half will       undoubtedly find progress difficult carrying a heavy, inert burden.       In individual life purity is equally necessary for both men and       women, and to make this possible real spiritual vision is essential.       As long as injustices against either sex exist, purity is       impossible." 5              Even sinners should depend upon God - He is there to help them. 6              "He is not only the Lord of heaven, He is the Lord of hell also. So       even a sinner of hell should not become mentally disturbed because       the Lord of hell is with him. 'Even if the sinner of sinners       resorts to complete surrender, then they will be freed from all       kinds of sins'. 'They must attain salvation, for God is the granter       of salvation.'" 7              Now to finish off, here is an amusing story that shows the folly of       false thinking.              THE PLIGHT OF KING TRISHANKU       from: Sarkar's Short Stories Part 1              "I expect you all know the story of King Trishanku. One day he       decided it was time to go to heaven. The pleasures and delights of       this world, which he had long enjoyed, no longer enticed him. He       knew he had enough physical and psychic strength to undertake the       journey. What he lacked was virtue - his stock of virtue was       exhausted.              The story goes that King Trishanku instructed his guards to tie him       to the end of a long arrow with a piece of nylon rope, and then       shoot the arrow towards heaven's gate. The arrow sped through the       sky at the speed of a rocket. The gods were alarmed. At the gates       the security guards were dripping with perspiration. This had never       happened before. "What should we do?" they wondered.              As a rule, heaven's gate is never closed. However, on this occasion       the guards decided to take a risk. They closed the gate. At that       instant the giant arrow hit the gate with a tremendous thud, and got       stuck. And there it stays till this day with King Trishanku tied to       one end with a piece of nylon rope.              Those people who stagnate in life, who neither progress nor regress,       suffer a plight similar to that of King Trishanku.              I don't know whether heaven's gate was opened later or not. Informed       sources tell me that the gods have built a new gate on the other       side of heaven. That's the way in these days."              From the works of Shrii Shrii Anandamurti       1. PA'RTHASA'RATHI KRS'N'A AND AESTHETIC SCIENCE, DISCOURSE 26,       NAMA'MI KRS'N'ASUNDARAM, 5 April 1981, Calcutta.       2. THE DIVINE WILL, Ba'ba''s Grace.       3. SOCIAL JUSTICE, HUMAN SOCIETY PART 1              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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