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|    THE RISE OF SPIRITUALITY AND FALL O to All    |
|    THE RISE OF SPIRITUALITY AND FALL OF DOG    |
|    08 Sep 04 09:10:32    |
      [continued from previous message]              relationship is one of love and affection, and not of any fear       complex. One must not say, "Oh God, I am a sinner." You need not       say like this - it is superfluous to say like this. Because       whatever you did is known to Him. Then what is the necessity of       saying, "Oh God, I am a sinner?" He knows everything; you need not       remind Him that your are a sinner.              And you know, if you always think, "I am a sinner, I am a sinner",       then actually you will become a sinner, if you are not already a       sinner - because what a person thinks, he or she will become like       that. If you always think, 'I am a sinner, I am a sinner", then       actually you will become a sinner. So what are you to think? What       are you to ideate upon? That is: "Oh Father, I am your loving       child. I was a bit misguided, now please help me. I want to sit on       your lap, I want to remain with you, I want to be an ideal boy, an       ideal girl of yours, just help me. I am very weak and you are the       strongest personality", you should say like this. Why should you       say, "I am a culprit, I am a sinner, I am a bad person?" And in the       social sphere, in the civic sphere, in any other sphere of society,       you may be a bad person, but for your Father you are not at all       bad. He will always try to save you and rectify you. He has got       immense grace for you. So you should not destroy or distort your       career by saying, 'I am a sinner, I am bad.' Then naturally your       Father will be angry. He will say, "Oh naughty chap, I know your       are a sinner. What's the necessity of saying that?" So you should       remember that the noumenal cause although it is the Supreme entity       in the entire universe, has a very close relationship with you.       That Supreme noumenal entity is your loving Father; He is not the       judge of a court. He is your loving Father, the relationship is       purely domestic.              Now, when one is ensconced in the supreme stance, in the Supreme       idea, one will be successful in each and every arena of human life.       Whatever you will do like rendering social service - will be       fruitful, and you will get immense pleasure in it. But if there is       no love for the Supreme entity, then what will happen? Your work       will be fruitless, and you will suffer from different kinds of       psychic disease, including frustration. If you do your spiritual       meditation for ten or twenty-four hours in a day, but there is no       love for the Supreme Entity, you are simply misusing the time,       abusing the time. So the first and foremost thing is that you       should always remember that you are not an ordinary person, you have       not come from an ordinary family, you have come from the noblest and       the highest family of the universe because your Father is the most       respectable person in the entire universe. So you must not suffer       from any sort of defeatist complex, any sort of fear complex or any       sort of hopelessness or helplessness, because your Father is always       with you." (THE NOUMENAL CAUSE AND THE PERSONAL GOD, Subha's'ita       Sam'graha Part 12, Ba'ba' in Fiesch, 20 May 1979 DMC, Timmern,       Germany)              This is the approach that must be taken. It also gets rid of       pettiness and narrow sentiments.              "All petty thoughts and narrow sentiments disappear from the mind of       a person moving towards the Supreme Entity. God includes all;       therefore to love God means to love all. So spiritual aspirants of       God see God in everyone and everything, loving all equally. They       look upon all countries as their own country, all languages as their       own language, and all races as their own race. Even the worms and       insects that infest hell are as dear to them as the greatest of       human beings. To them, the importance and glamour of tiny ant is       equal to that of an elephant. They realise that the entire universe       is their own self, that the all-thinking God is their own all-       thinking self. This is the true stance of immortality." (THE SUPREME       QUESTION -- 2, Subha's'ita Sam'graha Part 7, Paos' Pu'rn'ima' 1958,       Trimohan, Bhagalpur)              That is why in texts on spirituality the Oneness of God is the       emphasis. For example,              "He is controlling the psychic realm which sustains and nourishes       the entire life-flow of heaven, earth and underworld - so He is       called Trilokana'tha [the Lord of the Three Worlds]. And in this       quinquelemental world, He clearly understands the nature and       behaviour of each and every entity, so He is called Bhu'tana'tha       [the Lord of All Created Beings]." (NAMAH SHIVA'YA SHANTA'YA,       DISCOURSE 20 (CONTINUED), SHIVA IN THE PRAN'A'MA MANTRA, 13 August       1982, Kashi)              There are many spiritual stories that can be resorted to so as to       prove how devotion is the way.              "In ancient times there was one such devotee who used to go from       place to place distributing the bliss of devotion. His name was       Narada. Once he said to the Supreme Consciousness (Parama Purus'a in       Sanskrit): "O Lord, all the scholars and philosophers say that You       are omniscient, but people do not feel Your presence everywhere.       Where, therefore, is the place where Your presence can most be felt?       Or which place do You consider as dearest to You?" The Lord       replied, "It is true that I am everywhere; there is no action, no       thought, no feeling, in which I am not present. All actions take       place before My eyes, within My mind. Nothing should be done or       thought which is meant to be hidden from Me. Still, I do not live in       the seventh heaven as people think. Minds which are free from       narrowness, limitations, and isms are the places dear to me."       (A'NANDA VACANA'MRTAM PART 23, THE BLISS OF THE DEVOTEE, 22 January       1971, Ranchi)              Also, these learning stories mock the concept of heaven and hell -       as these are dogmas that deny spirituality and cannot elevate the       human being.              "Devotees feel alike whether in heaven or in hell. In heaven they       are with the Supreme Consciousness and are happy. If perchance they       go to hell, the Cosmic Entity is also there. There is no place in       this universe where God is not present. If they go to hell, the Lord       cannot live alone in heaven. He will also have to be in hell to       entertain His devotees. So if devotees go to hell they are also with       the Supreme and dance, sing and do spiritual chants. Their minds       remains full of bliss. They are completely apathetic and indifferent       towards pleasure and pain, good name and bad name in the external       world. Only the devotees can say that these carry no value. Those       who are devoid of devotion, even if they work conscientiously, shall       remain aloof from the Supreme and ultimately they will have       abhorrence for work. While doing hard penance the minds of such       people will not be with God. Instead, their minds will be thinking       about the hardship faced during the penance." (DEVOTION -- THE ONLY       PATH, A'nanda Vacana'mrtam Part 5, 18 November 1978, Patna)              Devotees fear nothing, and do not fear the assertions of religious       dogma. They know the Lord to be everywhere.              "Everything in this universe is controlled by Him. Nothing is beyond       Him, nothing is outside Him. He is both Lord of heaven and Lord of       hell - neither are outside Him; neither are beyond His jurisdiction.       That is why I have said that spiritual aspirants should never be       unnecessarily worried about heaven and hell. If one does noble deeds       or sings spiritual songs in hell, it is the bounden duty of the Lord       of hell to be there, too, and thus it automatically ceases to be a       hell. By forming a circle of the Lord's ardent devotees you can              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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