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|    Re: Mysteries of God (2/4)    |
|    18 Dec 04 21:08:55    |
      [continued from previous message]              > and a thousand years is as one day." This is a way of saying that God       > is the creator and ruler of time as well as every thing else in this       > universe and beyond. So even a million or a billion years can be as one       > day or one nanosecond to Him as He chooses it to be, since He is beyond       > time. With that in mind, lets move into Genesis. In the beginning God       > created the heavens and the earth. I think that this represents the       > start of our universe. The heavens representing space and the earth       > representing matter. The earth being without form and void and the       > Spirit of God hovered above the waters. The matter had not coalesced       > together sufficiently to form large physical bodies in space, but had       > coalesced enough that internal heat within the matter was driving off       > water vapor that may have condensed on the surface of that matter. Then       > God said let there be light. This was beginning of nuclear fusion in       > our universe, along with planet building. Where the light hit these       > protoplanets, there was day and on the backside of these bodies was       > night just as God had commanded. Obviously it took billions of our       > years for our universe to reach this stage, but to God that is little       > more than a blink of the eye.       > God called this time the first day. The morning and the evening being       > whatever time that God wishes it to be or when He wishes it to be. I       > think it highly unlikely He is saying an Earthday at this point because       > our solar system had not been created yet, that did not occur until the       > fourth day. On the second day God separated the waters into the seas       > and the sky. Evidently certain planets in scattered solar systems had       > cooled enough for their atmospheres to start clearing instead of one       > big shroud of clouds enveloping these planets from their surfaces       > upward. This probably took millions of years to occur. During this day       > God formed the land surfaces upon these planets. Again in God's time       > there could have been another blink of His spiritual eyes. Evening       > could be when He closes His eyes and the morning when He opens them       > again. So ended the second day. (I can see that you folks have erected       > the stake and gathered the firewood. You're having a cookout! Right?).       > On the third day, God brought forth vegetation. There have probably       > been many planets within our universe in times past and yet today that       > have some forms of life upon them. This is God's universe, along with       > any others, and He can do with them whatever He so desires. Who are we       > to limit Him to only caring about what happens on our dinky little       > planet, as important as it is to us? Don't get me wrong, God does care       > about us and this Earth, but We are not His only responsibility. Again       > God blinks His eyes and another day is over in His book, even though       > more millions of Earth type years may have elapsed.       > On the fourth day God created our sun, the moon and obviously the       > planets in our solar system. From this point on, I think that God is       > referring to our planet when He speaks of the earth, although He is not       > yet talking in Earthdays when He speaks. We tend to limit God into our       > way of thinking, not realizing that He is far greater than we could       > ever imagine. God also created the land and plants on our Earth in this       > time frame. This "day" must have been several billion Earth years long.       > It is wonderful that God never gets tired doing all this creating,       > because if He did He would probably get worn out just trying to keep up       > with all the petitions I offer up to His throne, let alone those that       > everyone else bring to Him in prayer.       > On the fifth day, God created the animals. Plants were already in       > existence on the Earth, being part of his previous day's work. This       > time frame probably lasted hundreds of millions of Earth years. As you       > can tell by now, I think that God used an evolutionary process to bring       > this to past. Not a random type of evolution, but a God inspired and       > God driven evolutionary process that only He is capable of doing. Truly       > we have a great and awe inspiring God.       > On the sixth day, we arrive at the place where the rubber meets the       > road so to speak. Did God create man? You bet He did. Did God use an       > evolutionary process to create man from the higher mammal animals? You       > bet He did. (GASP!) You say what about Adam? I think He came along       > later. This day probably lasted several million years. God looked at       > all of this creation and declared it good. Who are we to argue with God       > about something like that. If He says it is good, then it must be good.       > Anyway God decided He needed a little vacation after all that work of       > creating. I'll bet my bottom dollar that the seventh day did not last       > even two Earth seconds, because God loves what He is doing so much that       > He won't ever give it up and keeps on keeping on.       > Getting back to Adam, I believe that Adam was the first human with a       > spirit bearing soul. God created him from the dust of the Earth and       > breathed life into Him because God had created him for a special       > purpose. Adam was a perfect man. He could not say that bad genes had       > caused him to sin. Likewise Eve whom God created from Adam was perfect.       > These two were to be the first of mankind to enter into this world with       > a God created spirit. All men existing before Adam had a soul, but no       > spirit indwelling that soul. This leads me to think that the fall of       > Lucifer from Heaven occurred sometime after the sixth day. This I have       > reason to believe: that spirits of men are leftover remnants from the       > old order that existed in Heaven before Lucifer launched his revolt       > against God. As beings who did not take part in that revolt, but       > nevertheless of suspect loyalty to God, we could not remain in Heaven       > in our old form. We have to be transformed into new creatures before we       > are acceptable to God again. This is the purpose of our earthly       > existence. God knew that Lucifer and a third of the angels were going       > to revolt against him. He also had originally created us as subangelic       > beings to assist Lucifer in carrying out his heavenly responsibilities,       > before Lucifer got the big head and decided to try to take over God's       > position. I wonder if that happened while God was on vacation during       > the seventh day. It would be just like old Lucifer to try something       > like that.       > Anyway, once God decided that we subangelic spiritual beings (see       > Hebrews 2:7) could no longer dwell in His heavenly kingdom in our then       > spiritual form and He began thinking of ways to change us. He could not       > do this at the eternal level because He is constrained by His own       > eternal laws at that level. He had to bring us to a temporal level to       > accomplish that. Since a suitable vehicle (man) was already in place to       > accomplish this objective, God decided to piggyback these spirits into       > men's souls. This is why our soul also contains a God created spirit       > (see Hebrews 4:12). Adam was the first of these spirit souled men. Had       > he not disobeyed God, he would have been permitted to eventually eat of       > the tree of life and been transformed into an eternal creature, with       > rights to dwell with God forever. Adam and Eve were a special test       > case. God knew that if they failed the test, then all men from that       > point on would fail this test. They were cast out of the Garden and              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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