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|    A MESSAGE FROM A MUSLIM (2/4)    |
|    18 Mar 05 03:03:41    |
      [continued from previous message]              believe in God???……… NONE! If these semi dietys were removed the       world would have only one religion and total unification. All       religions seem to be preaching the same fundamental beliefs of right       over wrong, good leads to good and bad leads to bad, love overcomes       hate, generosity, charity, and abandonment of the things of this world       that corrupt us. There are countless expressions of the same feelings       mankind experiences to be found in a huge variety of separate       religious groups. Does any one religion have the arrogance to claim to       have the monopoly on believing in such things as peace, love,       forgiveness, patience, perseverance, etc?……….How many wars have been       fought and how many lives have been lost because of power being       assigned to the things of this life and people assuming they must be       different because they have different titles but are in fact feeling       the same universal thoughts? …..When you look around you will find       that this is the root cause of all seperation and predudice…People       kill to protect (so called) "holy" buildings and shrines, they will       kill to protect their fellow "holy" men and community because they       have the same religious label as him/her with no regard for the fact       someone's true religion is there actions rather than title. Even the       instincts of atheists will say that this is what turns them away from       religion. Atheists will often say they believe "something" exists but       they hate the stupidity of organized religion. One such example was       when the French government recently gave an order to ban all religious       symbols in schools because they said it was the root cause of all       conflict between the different faiths…. They even went to the extreme       of banning Muslim women from wearing head scalfs because they said it       made them stand out as being different from others…..Despite the fact       that the reason Muslim men and women dress as they do is because Islam       teaches them to dress with plain modest clothing that will guard       against being seen as a sexual object and so that people will more       easily judge you for your character over the pressures of superficial       beauty.…So who is to decide what dress should be the standard and is       the most modest and the norm? If you go so Saudi Arabia all people       ware the same modest Muslim clothing and there is no one person       standing out from the rest!. …Muslims believe that in order to find       guidance to the truth you must first give up all forms of "shirk"       (partner worship) and connect with Gods guidance directly without any       intercession. Muslims believe Gods central message was the concept of       unity and that this can only be achieved by giving up the catalyst       "shirk" in all its forms. It is the defining line between devotion to       God and those who have gone astray with temptation to invest in       something other than God. To become a Muslim, Muslims must say in the       company of other Muslim witnesses, "There is no God but God and       Mohamed was the last messenger of God" and also carry out this creed       in practice by avoiding all forms of shirk              Here are some other examples of "shirk              1. Listening to the directions of another person including religious       directions before listening to your own instincts.       2. Nationalism…since this involves following orders given by another       person's beliefs before listening to your own conscience given by God       3. Promoting someone or something above the level of ordinary man (the       opposite of modesty)       4. Promoting anything above its natural level….rocks, symbols, statues       and buildings etc which many people have been known to defend with       their lives and kill for.       5. Debating with another suggesting that you both believe in different       Gods….hence the saying: "Your God is my God, and My God is your God"       which is to be said when another person tries to engage you in       religious debate.       6. Giving admiration to another because of the position of authority       over others simply because of wealth, fame, or blood line etc.       7. putting your love and admiration into a sports team to the extent       that you will be hostile to others to protect your love of it.       8. The protection of a group of people based on their title. Ie…taking       the side of a person or nation of people simply because they call       themselves Muslim or Christian. The shirk in this example is a case of       black and white generalistic group mentality thinking that all the       good people live in one place under one title and all the bad people       live someplace else under another title. A kind of tendency to judge       someone/something as good or bad because of the label associated with       them. Idealistic thinking can be a dangerous thing. In this case the       mere word "Muslims" or "Christians" can become the idealistic object       of shirk An imaginary purist army of true believers that people will       support without question. The side you take in a dispute should be       based on the persons actions rather than their titles, since somebodys       religion is their action rather than their title.              Muslims believe that Jesus was a Prophet of God and that he taught the       above message of unity and love to mankind. Muslims believe that Jesus       was not the "son of god" or God himself, but was a man who had       weaknesses as we all do and was a "messenger for God". Many Christians       mistakenly believe that Islam rejects the message of Jesus. The truth       is that Muslims believe that much of the Christian text is authentic,       and that Jesus taught a message of Love, peace, forgiveness, charity,       etc and also told people that salvation will only be achieved through       him. "Through him" however does not mean literally "worship him" but       means to "follow his message and direction". When translating the       famous quote: "No one comes to the father except through me" we must       consider the circumstances surrounding Jesus at the time. We know that       there were many people preaching various beliefs in the lifetime of       Jesus just as there are today and that Jesus had to show people that       his message was the only authentic message worth listening to. And so       we have Jesus saying to the people the above quote. The above quote       however does not imply that Jesus is asking the people to worship Him       but it does imply that his message is the only truth and that no other       teachings or way of life are valid. Muslims believe that parts of       Christian texts have been corrupted by the idea that Jesus was God and       that he asked his followers to direct their worship at him and       therefore these parts of text cannot be relied on to give accurate       direction in life despite having a lot of text which gives authentic       good moral direction.. Muslims believe that Mohamed was sent the       Kur'an to put right these alterations in the teachings of Jesus. The       same status of Jesus also applies to Mohamed who was also a prophet of       God and also just a man with weaknesses like all of us. He warned his       followers not to worship him or his grave when he died. This is why       you rarely see a picture of Mohamed because obedient Muslims will not       direct their worship to anything but God. Muslims believe Mohamed was       born so that mankind was given Gods message of how to achieve unity       and the right path one last time and a warning for those Jews and       early Christians who had and will go against this message of love and       unity by practicing the human invention of shirk. Muslims believe that       the only true guidance in this life is found through giving up all       forms of "Shirk" in word and practice and worshipping God alone              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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