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|    A MESSAGE FROM A MUSLIM (3/4)    |
|    18 Mar 05 03:03:41    |
      [continued from previous message]              without an intermediary. Muslims do not believe that the prophets of       God taught that to follow Gods teachings given through the prophets       you must also worship the prophets. Muslims believe worshipping It is       the defining line between receiving guidance and being on the strait       path of pure monotheism and being misguided. Muslims believe that when       some Christians say: "Jesus the son of God" or "Jesus is God" this is       assigning special power to an object/person of this life (shirk/       Making Partners with God). It is a strong temptation in life for a       person to want to find the comfort of a symbolic focus point of some       kind to express their natural tendancy to give worship and prayer and       request guidance. The Qur'an teaches that this is Satan trying to       tempt mankind with the easy option away from Gods will instead of the       more difficult path of abandoning all "shirk" by worshipping directly.       One such funny example of this can be found in the Monty Python movie       "the life of brian", everywhere Brian goes he has crowds of followers       trying to worship him as a God. When he trips and stumbles and his       shoe falls off, his unwanted followers are quick to pick it up and       raise it to the sky and call it "the HOLY shoe". Mankind has been       inventing religions this way since recorded history. It is the law of       association and invention and is defined by the human trait of wishing       to find what it is the soul is looking for in this lifetime by       creating a symbolic reference to an idea we all feel inside (God). In       an abstract way this is the direct opposite of the word "faith" which       is what the prophets taught us to have. The Qur'an teaches that Jesus       was a Prophet of God and that Jesus gave a message of love, peace,       unity, and an example to not Split Gods Divinity with shirk. Muslims       believe that man with human invention has corrupted certain parts of       scripture in the bible. Qur'an teaches that mankind does NOT know what       God is , he is unlike anything to which you will hear, smell, see, or       think of…Muslims believe God is above the level of human       comprehension,. When you take the belief of "Not making partners with       God" and "Recognising but not claiming to know what God is" you have a       very simplistic teaching:…..God exists!, there is only one correct       answer/reality and one God which is the seat of all creation and       events, , there is the creator and the created, unity and peace to all       through not worshipping anythiny but God directly…..FULL STOP!….to       simplify this message further you can say: Something exists, and we       can argue forever over which religion is the truth but at the end of       the day there can logically only be one correct answer.to what       creation is all about…An intresting point to the gravity of shirk is       found in the observation of disputes between people. The next time you       witness a debate ask yourself the question: Is their any shirk being       practiced by either side? …..you will find that "Shirk" it is the       number one catalyst of difference and dispute in the world in one form       or anouther. I have included at the bottom of this article some       examples from the bible, which in my opinion confirm the scripture has       been altered to contradict other parts which have remained authentic       to Gods message of unity. Muslims believe that Mohamed was the last       prophet of God sent to conclude the message of unity that Jesus and       the prophets before him taught and to put right those that had strayed       once again into partner worshipping in all its forms but he was       rejected by many without the chance of explaining that he was not       teaching a new religion but simply confirming once again the original       message given to the Jews and Christians and to warn those who had       corrupted scripture and unity with idol worship teachings and human       invention. You can even find the Christian Ten Commandments in the       Qur'an. As a Muslim I see a lot of idol worship being practiced by       Christians (not all Christians) as well as other religions…i.e.       superstition in crosses, the hierarchy of church organisations, and       all worship being channeled in the direction of messengers, shrines,       semi dietys. This to a Muslim is a direct contradiction to Islam since       God expects his followers to set the example of unity in their actions       and teachings and all power and Prayer belongs to God alone.                     Was Jesus the "Son of God" or "God Himself" or "a messenger prophet of       God"?              The bible:                     WORDS       Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but       His       who sent Me.       Joh 14:24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the       word       which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.       Joh 12:49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father       who       sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.       WILL       Joh 4:34 Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who       sent       me, and to accomplish his work.       Joh 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but       the will of Him who sent Me.       Lu 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from       Me;       nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."       POWER       Joh 5:30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My       judgment       is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the       Father who sent Me.       Joh 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love       me,       for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord,       but he sent me.       KNOWLEDGE       Mr 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels       in       heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.       Mt 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels       of       heaven, but My Father only.       Joh 7:16 So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who       sent me;       STATUS       Mt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the       kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.       Mr 10:18 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is       good       but God alone.       8:50 "And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and       judges.              And So you have understood the fundamental message of Islam and the       Koran.                     The Ten Comandments in the Koran              1. Thou shall not take any god except one God.              "There is no other god beside GOD,"(47:19)       He is the one God; there is no other god beside Him. ......(28:70)       2. Thou shall make no image of God              There is nothing that equals (like) Him. (42:11)       No visions can encompass Him, but He       encompasses all visions. He is the Compassionate, the       Cognizant.[6:103]       "My Lord, make this a peaceful land, and protect me and my children       from worshiping idols. (14:35)       3. Thou shall not use God's name in vain.              Do not subject GOD's name to your casual swearing, that you may appear       righteous, pious,       or to attain credibility among the people. (2:224)              4. Thou shall honor thy mother and father.              . ....and your parents shall be       honored. As long as one or       both of them live, you shall       never say to them, "Uff"       (the slightest gesture of annoyance),       nor shall you shout at them; you       shall treat them amicably. (17:23)              5. Thou shall not steal.              The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands as a punishment       for their crime, and       to serve as an example from GOD. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise. (5:38 -       39)              6. ..... incur GOD's condemnation upon him, if he was lying. (24:7)       Do not withhold any testimony by concealing what you had witnessed.       Anyone who withholds       a testimony is sinful at heart. 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