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   A MESSAGE FROM A MUSLIM (3/4)   
   18 Mar 05 03:03:41   
   
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   without an intermediary. Muslims do not believe that the prophets of   
   God taught that to follow Gods teachings given through the prophets   
   you must also worship the prophets. Muslims believe worshipping It is   
   the defining line between receiving guidance and being on the strait   
   path of pure monotheism and being misguided. Muslims believe that when   
   some Christians say: "Jesus the son of God" or "Jesus is God" this is   
   assigning special power to an object/person of this life (shirk/   
   Making Partners with God). It is a strong temptation in life for a   
   person to want to find the comfort of a symbolic focus point of some   
   kind to express their natural  tendancy to give worship and prayer and   
   request guidance. The Qur'an teaches that this is Satan trying to   
   tempt mankind with the easy option away from Gods will instead of the   
   more difficult path of abandoning all "shirk" by worshipping directly.   
   One such funny example of this can be found in the Monty Python movie   
   "the life of brian", everywhere Brian goes he has crowds of followers   
   trying to worship him as a God. When he trips and stumbles and his   
   shoe falls off, his unwanted followers are quick to pick it up and   
   raise it to the sky and call it "the HOLY shoe". Mankind has been   
   inventing religions this way since recorded history. It is the law of   
   association and invention and is defined by the human trait of wishing   
   to find what it is the soul is looking for in this lifetime by   
   creating a symbolic reference to an idea we all feel inside (God). In   
   an abstract way this is the direct opposite of the word "faith" which   
   is what the prophets taught us to have. The Qur'an teaches that Jesus   
   was a Prophet of God and that Jesus gave a message of love, peace,   
   unity, and an example to not Split Gods Divinity with shirk. Muslims   
   believe that man with human invention has corrupted certain parts of   
   scripture in the bible. Qur'an teaches that mankind does NOT know what   
   God is , he is unlike anything to which you will hear, smell, see, or   
   think of…Muslims believe God is above the level of human   
   comprehension,. When you take the belief of "Not making partners with   
   God" and "Recognising but not claiming to know what God is" you have a   
   very simplistic teaching:…..God exists!, there is only one correct   
   answer/reality and one God which is the seat of all creation and   
   events, , there is the creator and the created, unity and peace to all   
   through not worshipping anythiny but God directly…..FULL STOP!….to   
   simplify this message further you can say: Something exists, and we   
   can argue forever over which religion is the truth but at the end of   
   the day there can logically only be one correct answer.to what   
   creation is all about…An intresting point to the gravity of shirk is   
   found in the observation of disputes between people. The next time you   
   witness a debate ask yourself the question: Is their any shirk being   
   practiced by either side? …..you will find that "Shirk" it is the   
   number one catalyst of difference and dispute in the world in one form   
   or anouther. I have included at the bottom of this article some   
   examples from the bible, which in my opinion confirm the scripture has   
   been altered to contradict other parts which have remained authentic   
   to Gods message of unity.  Muslims believe that Mohamed was the last   
   prophet of God sent to conclude the message of unity that Jesus and   
   the prophets before him taught and to put right those that had strayed   
   once again into partner worshipping in all its forms but he was   
   rejected by many without the chance of explaining that he was not   
   teaching a new religion but simply confirming once again the original   
   message given to the Jews and Christians and to warn those who had   
   corrupted scripture and unity with idol worship teachings and human   
   invention. You can even find the Christian Ten Commandments in the   
   Qur'an. As a Muslim I see a lot of idol worship being practiced by   
   Christians (not all Christians) as well as other religions…i.e.   
   superstition in crosses, the hierarchy of church organisations,  and   
   all worship being channeled in the direction of messengers, shrines,   
   semi dietys. This to a Muslim is a direct contradiction to Islam since   
   God expects his followers to set the example of unity in their actions   
   and teachings and all power and Prayer belongs to God alone.   
      
      
   Was Jesus the "Son of God" or "God Himself" or "a messenger prophet of   
   God"?   
      
   The bible:   
      
      
   WORDS   
   Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but   
   His   
   who sent Me.   
   Joh 14:24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the   
   word   
   which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.   
   Joh 12:49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father   
   who   
   sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.   
   WILL   
   Joh 4:34 Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who   
   sent   
   me, and to accomplish his work.   
   Joh 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but   
   the will of Him who sent Me.   
   Lu 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from   
   Me;   
   nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."   
   POWER   
   Joh 5:30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My   
   judgment   
   is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the   
   Father who sent Me.   
   Joh 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love   
   me,   
   for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord,   
   but he sent me.   
   KNOWLEDGE   
   Mr 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels   
   in   
   heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.   
   Mt 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels   
   of   
   heaven, but My Father only.   
   Joh 7:16 So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who   
   sent me;   
   STATUS   
   Mt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the   
   kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.   
   Mr 10:18 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is   
   good   
   but God alone.   
   8:50 "And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and   
   judges.   
      
   And So you have understood the fundamental message of Islam and the   
   Koran.   
      
      
   The Ten Comandments in the Koran   
      
   1. Thou shall not take any god except one God.   
      
   "There is no other god beside GOD,"(47:19)   
   He is the one God; there is no other god beside Him. ......(28:70)   
   2. Thou shall make no image of God   
      
   There is nothing that equals (like) Him. (42:11)   
   No visions can encompass Him, but He   
   encompasses all visions. He is the Compassionate, the   
   Cognizant.[6:103]   
   "My Lord, make this a peaceful land, and protect me and my children   
   from worshiping idols. (14:35)   
   3. Thou shall not use God's name in vain.   
      
   Do not subject GOD's name to your casual swearing, that you may appear   
   righteous, pious,   
   or to attain credibility among the people. (2:224)   
      
   4. Thou shall honor thy mother and father.   
      
   . ....and your parents shall be   
   honored. As long as one or   
   both of them live, you shall   
   never say to them, "Uff"   
   (the slightest gesture of annoyance),   
   nor shall you shout at them; you   
   shall treat them amicably. (17:23)   
      
   5. Thou shall not steal.   
      
   The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands as a punishment   
   for their crime, and   
   to serve as an example from GOD.  GOD is Almighty, Most Wise. (5:38 -   
   39)   
      
   6. ..... incur GOD's condemnation upon him, if he was lying. (24:7)   
   Do not withhold any testimony by concealing what you had witnessed.   
   Anyone who withholds   
   a testimony is sinful at heart. (2:283)   
      
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