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|    Stormin Mormon to All    |
|    Koran Vs. Bible: Not a level playing fie    |
|    24 May 05 00:16:58    |
      XPost: alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.christian.20-something,       alt.religion.christian.adventist       XPost: alt.religion.christian.anabaptist, alt.religion.christian       anabaptist.brethren, alt.religion.christian.baptist       XPost: alt.religion.christ       From: cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com              "Omega" <2121@insightbb.com> wrote in message       news:29pke.195$Is4.161@attbi_s21...              http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBure       us\archive\200505\FOR20050519a.html              This is in the category of "consider the source."              This message is meant to influence as well as inform.              ***                     Saudis Shred Bibles, Rights Campaigners Claim       By Patrick Goodenough       CNSNews.com International Editor       May 19, 2005              (CNSNews.com) - Bibles found in the possession of visitors to Saudi Arabia       are routinely confiscated by customs officials, and in some cases copies       allegedly have been put through a paper shredder, according to religious       rights campaigners.              Reports from the Islamic world of the abuse of Bibles and other items       important to Christians emerge from time to time, but generally have little       impact - in contrast to the wave of Muslim anger sparked by a Newsweek       report, since retracted, of Koran desecration by the U.S. military.              "The Muslims respect the Koran far more than Christians respect the Bible,"       says Danny Nalliah, a Sri Lankan-born evangelical pastor now based in       Australia.              During the 1990s, Nalliah spent two years in Saudi Arabia, where he was       deeply involved with the underground church.              "It's a very well-known fact that if you have a Bible at customs when you       enter the airport, and if they find the Bible, that the Bible is taken and       put in the shredder," he said in an interview this week.              "If you have more than one Bible you will be taken into custody, and if you       have a quantity of Bibles you will be given 70 lashes for sure - you could       even be executed."              Nalliah had not himself seen a Bible being shredded but said the practice       was widely acknowledged among Christians in the kingdom.              Abuse of Christians and their symbols was not restricted to the destruction       of Bibles, he added.              A friend of his, a fellow Christian in Saudi Arabia, told him of witnessing       a particularly unpleasant incident involving a Catholic nun.              The man had been in the transit lounge at the airport in Jeddah - the       gateway to Mecca, used by millions of Hajj pilgrims each year - when a nun       arrived at the customs desk.              "Some fool [travel agent] had put her on a transit flight in Jeddah. You       don't do that to a Catholic nun, because she's going to be tormented."              "They opened her bag, went through her prayer book, put the prayer book       through the shredder ... took the crucifix off her neck and smashed it,       tormented her for many minutes."              Eventually another Muslim official objected to their conduct, came across       and "rescued" her, pointing out to the customs officials that she was not       entering the country but only in transit and would be leaving on the next       plane.              Briefed beforehand about the risks, Nalliah said he did not carry a Bible       when he arrived in the kingdom in 1995.              Subsequently, however, he took possession of hundreds of Bibles that had       been smuggled into Saudi Arabia to be used by believers there.              Nalliah said he had a close call one morning when armed members of the       notorious Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of       Vice - the religious police, or muttawa - hammered at his front door at 1       a.m.              With 400 smuggled Bibles "sitting on the dining room table," he believed his       life to be in serious danger. "That was a crime equal to rape, murder, armed       robbery, and in Saudi Arabia you get the same punishment," he said - the       death penalty.              Nalliah said he had prayed earnestly and, in what he could only describe as       a miracle, the men left without entering his home.              'Contraband'              Claims of Bible desecration in Saudi Arabia have been made by others.              "One Christian recently reported that his personal Bible was put into a       shredder once he entered customs," the late Nagi Kheir, spokesman for the       American Coptic Association and a veteran campaigner for religious freedom       in the Middle East, wrote in an article several years ago.              "Some Christians have reported that upon entering Saudi Arabia they have had       their personal Bibles taken from them and placed into a paper shredder," the       U.S.-based organization International Christian Concern said in a 2001       report.              In its most recent report on religious freedom around the world, the State       Department made no reference to Bible destruction, but said they were       considered contraband.              "Customs officials routinely open mail and shipments to search for       contraband, including ... non-Muslim materials, such as Bibles and religious       videotapes," it said. "Such materials are subject to confiscation, although       rules appear to be applied arbitrarily."              In a 2003 report on Saudi Arabia, the U.S. Commission on International       Religious Freedom, an independent watchdog set up under the 1998       International Religious Freedom Act, said: "Customs officials regularly       confiscate Bibles and other religious material when Christian foreign       workers arrive at the airport from their home countries initially or return       from a vacation."              Inquiries about the legality of Bibles and about the shredder claims, sent       to the Saudi Embassy in Washington and the Saudi Information Ministry in       Riyadh, were not answered by press time.              Koran vs. Bible              After Nalliah left Saudi Arabia in 1997, he went to the U.S. and took part       in the lobbying effort on Capitol Hill in support of what eventually became       the International Religious Freedom Act, signed into law the following year.              He heads an evangelical ministry in Australia, where late last year he and a       colleague became the first people to be found guilty under a controversial       state religious hatred law, after Muslims accused them of vilifying Islam       during a post-9/11 seminar for Christians.              Nalliah said this week it did not surprise him that Muslims have reacted       strongly to the claims that U.S. interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay base,       where terrorism suspects are held, had thrown a Koran into the toilet.              While Bible scholars say the Bible is written by men who were inspired by       God, Muslims believe the Koran is "the copy of an original that is sitting       in heaven, and has been sent down [by revelation to Mohammed]."              The book is seen as something sacred in itself, he explained, its words       having come "directly from Allah. That's why they are so mad when they think       something [unseemly] is being done to the Koran."              A Muslim will never keep a Koran at ground level, for instance.              The Pentagon says a January 2003 memo issued to U.S. personnel at Guantanamo       Bay instructed them to "ensure that the Koran is not placed in offensive              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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