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   EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT SAFE S   
   18 Aug 05 11:27:27   
   
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   none of the HIV negative partners of HIV-positive men or women became   
   infected when using condoms at every intercourse. In a Haitian study,   
   the infection rate among serodiscordant couples who always used condoms   
   was 1 per 100 couples (McNeill et al. 2001).   
      
   The Effectiveness of Condoms in Preventing HIV Transmission:   
   http://www.amfar.org/binary-data/AMFAR_PUBLICATION/download_file/34.pdf   
      
   Thus we can conclude,   
      
   Risk of contracting HIV through vaginal intercourse if other person is   
   HIV+   
                          Per Year (assuming 100 sex acts)     Per Act   
   No protection          1 in 10                              1 in 1,000   
   Condoms                1 in 100                             1 in 10,000   
      
   What is the risk that a random person HAS HIV?   
   According to http://www.whitehouse.gov/onap/facts.html   
   Number of people living with HIV/AIDS Approx. 900,000   
   Number of people who may not know they are HIV pos. Approx. 300,000   
      
   If we assume 1 in 10 then,   
      
   Risk of contracting HIV through a random promiscuous encounter   
                   Per Year (assuming 100 sex acts per year)  Per Act   
   No protection   1 in 100                                   1 in 10,000   
   Condoms      => 1 in 1,000                                 1 in 100,000   
      
   Assuming condoms and a 1 in 100 chance that the other person is   
   infected:   
      
                   Per year                                 Per Act   
      
                   1 in 10,000                              1 in 1,000,000   
      
      
   This risk can be compared to the risk of accidental pregnancy,   
      
   Risk of accidental pregnancy   
                           Per Year (assuming 100 sex acts) Per Act   
   No protection           8 in 10                          1 in 125   
   Condoms                 1 in 50                          1 in 5,000   
   Birth Control           1 in 200                         1 in 20,000   
   Condoms & Birth Control 1 in 10,000              1 in 1,000,000   
      
   Consider that if you have sex on a regular basis for 10, 20, or more   
   years, you can multiply the risk by the number of years, thus the risk   
   of getting pregnant over 20 years, if you only use Condoms, is 20 in   
   50, or 40%.  Not a very good risk if you don't want to have an   
   abortion.  If you only use the pill, the risk of getting pregnant over   
   20 years is 20 in 200, or 1 in 10.  This assumes perfect use, and does   
   not consider the possibility of misuse or accident.   
      
   Risk of dying in a car accident per year 40,000/300,000,000 = 1 in   
   7,500.  Of course, it depends how much you drive, and we don't know how   
   many accidents are attributed to drunk, young, old, or bad drivers.   
   Also, not all of those 300,000,000 people ride in cars regularly, but   
   then, not everyone has sex either, so these comparisons are all pretty   
   vague and meaningless.   
      
   When analyzing promiscuity that pertains to disease, the question is   
   how many sex acts per year does the average person have with another   
   person who's health is unknown to them.  The important factor is   
   whether or not they've been tested for HIV (and other diseases as it   
   pertains to those diseases).  While its true that knowing someone's   
   sexual history, could make a difference (if you trust her), the only   
   factor that matters is how many TIMES did she have sex with someone   
   who's HIV status was unknown to her.  Not just how many partners, but   
   how many times with each partner.   
      
   how many times, and how many partners both make a difference.   
      
   Of course, if you have time to   
   discuss sexual history's you probably have time to take a test, and   
   there are many free clinics or clinics which charge on a graduated   
   scale depending on your income.  The real issue however, is that many   
   people would probably like promiscuity, and while tests might help,   
   they can not really protect you completely if you are promiscuous.  All   
   you can do is  KNOW the risks, and rely on condoms.  Cheap at home STD   
   tests might fix this problem..   
      
   However as far as passing a disease to others if you do not know you   
   have it, promiscuity does matter.  If people who do not know they are   
   infected have promiscuous sex, then there is a higher likelihood that   
   the disease may be passed on to multiple partners.  Whereas if those   
   people were monogamous, they would infect their one partner, and   
   continue having sex with them, and not infect anyone else.  And, if   
   more people became infected, the risk of contracting the disease   
   overall would increase, as more people became infected, making   
   promiscuity matter to everyone in the long run.  However, as an   
   individual this is not an issue, unless you get a disease without   
   knowing it, and end up passing the disease on to other people!   
   Promiscuity among people who have the disease could spread the disease   
   and keep us from being as promiscuous in the future.  In addition to   
   harming more people in the present.  But it is only those who are   
   unknowingly infected who are to blame.  The previous discussion may be   
   rather academic since it is purely those who have sex without testing   
   who are at risk, and promiscuity makes is nearly impossible to have sex   
   with testing.  However, it does indicate that if one is going to   
   continue having sexual relationships with someone, it may be more   
   important in that case to get tested first.  Whether there is any   
   reason to worry at all however is discussed in previous paragraphs   
   above.   
      
   When considering promiscuity, there are other factors besides disease   
   and babies.  Don't get confused and just try to "get laid" in your   
   desperate search for sex.  Try to find people who you actually want.   
   It may help to get to know them better.  If you have sex with a   
   stranger who you're sexually incompatible with, it may create more   
   negative than positive energy.  I don't suppose cooties are really an   
   issue, since sex isn't a whole lot more than french kissing and having   
   your naked body touching another's.   
      
   The question is: does wanting someone's body = wanting them?   
      
      
   The risk of contracting the other two uncurable diseases, Warts(HPV)   
   and Herpes, is much greater than the risk of contracting HIV.  While   
   condoms might provide some protection, unfortunately since they do not   
   cover the penis entirely they do not offer much protection.  Condoms   
   which cover the entire groin area might solve this problem.  In   
   addition, there may soon be vaccines against some strains of these   
   diseases.  Inspect your partner's genitals to provide some protection   
   against Herpes and Warts.   
      
   For more info on STD's see http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs­/index.html   
      
   Condoms do provide good protection against many of the other currently   
   curable diseases.  Diseases such as Syphilis can cause irreparable   
   damage if left untreated, so take care to get treatment at the first   
   sign of symptoms!   
      
   Even if you have no symptoms, Gonorrhea & Chlamydia can lead to Pelvic   
   Inflammatory Disease (PID) in women and cause infertility, see   
   http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/8799/8799/29362/197425.html?d=dm...   
   so get tested periodically even if you have no symptoms and Gonorrhea &   
   Chlamydia can be cleared up just like the flu or something. If you wait   
   too long, you could end up infertile.   
      
   *Hepatitis B may also be uncurable, which is why you should consider   
   getting vaccinated against it.  Then you won't be able to contract this   
   disease.   
      
   You can buy condoms online at http://www.condomdepot.com  Remember, be   
   sure to pinch the tip to squeeze any excess air out before rolling it   
   on, and to leave enough room at the tip to catch the semen, and to use   
      
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