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   rfraning@home.com to All   
   Mysteries of God (2/4)   
   27 Oct 05 18:42:58   
   
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   is the creator and ruler of time as well as every thing else in this   
   universe and beyond. So even a million or a billion years can be as one   
   day or one nanosecond to Him as He chooses it to be, since He is beyond   
   time. With that in mind, lets move into Genesis. In the beginning God   
   created the heavens and the earth. I think that this represents the   
   start of our universe. The heavens representing space and the earth   
   representing matter. The earth being without form and void and the   
   Spirit of God hovered above the waters. The matter had not coalesced   
   together sufficiently to form large physical bodies in space, but had   
   coalesced enough that internal heat within the matter was driving off   
   water vapor that may have condensed on the surface of that matter. Then   
   God said let there be light. This was beginning of nuclear fusion in   
   our universe, along with planet building. Where the light hit these   
   protoplanets, there was day and on the backside of these bodies was   
   night just as God had commanded. Obviously it took billions of our   
   years for our universe to reach this stage, but to God that is little   
   more than a blink of the eye.   
     God called this time the first day. The morning and the evening being   
   whatever time that God wishes it to be or when He wishes it to be. I   
   think it highly unlikely He is saying an Earthday at this point because   
   our solar system had not been created yet, that did not occur until the   
   fourth day. On the second day God separated the waters into the seas   
   and the sky. Evidently certain planets in scattered solar systems had   
   cooled enough for their atmospheres to start clearing instead of one   
   big shroud of clouds enveloping these planets from their surfaces   
   upward. This probably took millions of years to occur. During this day   
   God formed the land surfaces upon these planets. Again in God's time   
   there could have been another blink of His spiritual eyes. Evening   
   could be when He closes His eyes and the morning when He opens them   
   again. So ended the second day. (I can see that you folks have erected   
   the stake and gathered the firewood. You're having a cookout! Right?).   
   On the third day, God brought forth vegetation. There have probably   
   been many planets within our universe in times past and yet today that   
   have some forms of life upon them. This is God's universe, along with   
   any others, and He can do with them whatever He so desires. Who are we   
   to limit Him to only caring about what happens on our dinky little   
   planet, as important as it is to us? Don't get me wrong, God does care   
   about us and this Earth, but We are not His only responsibility. Again   
   God blinks His eyes and another day is over in His book, even though   
   more millions of Earth type years may have elapsed.   
     On the fourth day God created our sun, the moon and obviously the   
   planets in our solar system. From this point on, I think that God is   
   referring to our planet when He speaks of the earth, although He is not   
   yet talking in Earthdays when He speaks. We tend to limit God into our   
   way of thinking, not realizing that He is far greater than we could   
   ever imagine. God also created the land and plants on our Earth in this   
   time frame. This "day" must have been several billion Earth years long.   
   It is wonderful that God never gets tired doing all this creating,   
   because if He did He would probably get worn out just trying to keep up   
   with all the petitions I offer up to His throne, let alone those that   
   everyone else bring to Him in prayer.   
     On the fifth day, God created the animals. Plants were already in   
   existence on the Earth, being part of his previous day's work. This   
   time frame probably lasted hundreds of millions of Earth years. As you   
   can tell by now, I think that God used an evolutionary process to bring   
   this to past. Not a random type of evolution, but a God inspired and   
   God driven evolutionary process that only He is capable of doing. Truly   
   we have a great and awe inspiring God.   
     On the sixth day, we arrive at the place where the rubber meets the   
   road so to speak. Did God create man? You bet He did. Did God use an   
   evolutionary process to create man from the higher mammal animals? You   
   bet He did. (GASP!) You say what about Adam? I think He came along   
   later. This day probably lasted several million years. God looked at   
   all of this creation and declared it good. Who are we to argue with God   
   about something like that. If He says it is good, then it must be good.   
   Anyway God decided He needed a little vacation after all that work of   
   creating. I'll bet my bottom dollar that the seventh day did not last   
   even two Earth seconds, because God loves what He is doing so much that   
   He won't ever give it up and keeps on keeping on.   
     Getting back to Adam, I believe that Adam was the first human with a   
   spirit bearing soul. God created him from the dust of the Earth and   
   breathed life into Him because God had created him for a special   
   purpose. Adam was a perfect man. He could not say that bad genes had   
   caused him to sin. Likewise Eve whom God created from Adam was perfect.   
   These two were to be the first of mankind to enter into this world with   
   a God created spirit. All men existing before Adam had a soul, but no   
   spirit indwelling that soul. This leads me to think that the fall of   
   Lucifer from Heaven occurred sometime after the sixth day. This I have   
   reason to believe: that spirits of men are leftover remnants from the   
   old order that existed in Heaven before Lucifer launched his revolt   
   against God. As beings who did not take part in that revolt, but   
   nevertheless of suspect loyalty to God, we could not remain in Heaven   
   in our old form. We have to be transformed into new creatures before we   
   are acceptable to God again. This is the purpose of our earthly   
   existence. God knew that Lucifer and a third of the angels were going   
   to revolt against him. He also had originally created us as subangelic   
   beings to assist Lucifer in carrying out his heavenly responsibilities,   
   before Lucifer got the big head and decided to try to take over God's   
   position. I wonder if that happened while God was on vacation during   
   the seventh day. It would be just like old Lucifer to try something   
   like that.   
     Anyway, once God decided that we subangelic spiritual beings (see   
   Hebrews 2:7) could no longer dwell in His heavenly kingdom in our then   
   spiritual form and He began thinking of ways to change us. He could not   
   do this at the eternal level because He is constrained by His own   
   eternal laws at that level. He had to bring us to a temporal level to   
   accomplish that. Since a suitable vehicle (man) was already in place to   
   accomplish this objective, God decided to piggyback these spirits into   
   men's souls. This is why our soul also contains a God created spirit   
   (see Hebrews 4:12). Adam was the first of these spirit souled men. Had   
   he not disobeyed God, he would have been permitted to eventually eat of   
   the tree of life and been transformed into an eternal creature, with   
   rights to dwell with God forever. Adam and Eve were a special test   
   case. God knew that if they failed the test, then all men from that   
   point on would fail this test. They were cast out of the Garden and   
   forced to live among the other existing humans. From that time on all   
   human beings have had a spirit bearing soul. How long will this go on?   
   Probably until heaven is emptied of its condemned subangelic spirits or   
   until the church on Earth becomes so decadent that so few are getting   
      
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