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|    Mysteries of God (2/4)    |
|    27 Oct 05 18:42:58    |
      [continued from previous message]              is the creator and ruler of time as well as every thing else in this       universe and beyond. So even a million or a billion years can be as one       day or one nanosecond to Him as He chooses it to be, since He is beyond       time. With that in mind, lets move into Genesis. In the beginning God       created the heavens and the earth. I think that this represents the       start of our universe. The heavens representing space and the earth       representing matter. The earth being without form and void and the       Spirit of God hovered above the waters. The matter had not coalesced       together sufficiently to form large physical bodies in space, but had       coalesced enough that internal heat within the matter was driving off       water vapor that may have condensed on the surface of that matter. Then       God said let there be light. This was beginning of nuclear fusion in       our universe, along with planet building. Where the light hit these       protoplanets, there was day and on the backside of these bodies was       night just as God had commanded. Obviously it took billions of our       years for our universe to reach this stage, but to God that is little       more than a blink of the eye.        God called this time the first day. The morning and the evening being       whatever time that God wishes it to be or when He wishes it to be. I       think it highly unlikely He is saying an Earthday at this point because       our solar system had not been created yet, that did not occur until the       fourth day. On the second day God separated the waters into the seas       and the sky. Evidently certain planets in scattered solar systems had       cooled enough for their atmospheres to start clearing instead of one       big shroud of clouds enveloping these planets from their surfaces       upward. This probably took millions of years to occur. During this day       God formed the land surfaces upon these planets. Again in God's time       there could have been another blink of His spiritual eyes. Evening       could be when He closes His eyes and the morning when He opens them       again. So ended the second day. (I can see that you folks have erected       the stake and gathered the firewood. You're having a cookout! Right?).       On the third day, God brought forth vegetation. There have probably       been many planets within our universe in times past and yet today that       have some forms of life upon them. This is God's universe, along with       any others, and He can do with them whatever He so desires. Who are we       to limit Him to only caring about what happens on our dinky little       planet, as important as it is to us? Don't get me wrong, God does care       about us and this Earth, but We are not His only responsibility. Again       God blinks His eyes and another day is over in His book, even though       more millions of Earth type years may have elapsed.        On the fourth day God created our sun, the moon and obviously the       planets in our solar system. From this point on, I think that God is       referring to our planet when He speaks of the earth, although He is not       yet talking in Earthdays when He speaks. We tend to limit God into our       way of thinking, not realizing that He is far greater than we could       ever imagine. God also created the land and plants on our Earth in this       time frame. This "day" must have been several billion Earth years long.       It is wonderful that God never gets tired doing all this creating,       because if He did He would probably get worn out just trying to keep up       with all the petitions I offer up to His throne, let alone those that       everyone else bring to Him in prayer.        On the fifth day, God created the animals. Plants were already in       existence on the Earth, being part of his previous day's work. This       time frame probably lasted hundreds of millions of Earth years. As you       can tell by now, I think that God used an evolutionary process to bring       this to past. Not a random type of evolution, but a God inspired and       God driven evolutionary process that only He is capable of doing. Truly       we have a great and awe inspiring God.        On the sixth day, we arrive at the place where the rubber meets the       road so to speak. Did God create man? You bet He did. Did God use an       evolutionary process to create man from the higher mammal animals? You       bet He did. (GASP!) You say what about Adam? I think He came along       later. This day probably lasted several million years. God looked at       all of this creation and declared it good. Who are we to argue with God       about something like that. If He says it is good, then it must be good.       Anyway God decided He needed a little vacation after all that work of       creating. I'll bet my bottom dollar that the seventh day did not last       even two Earth seconds, because God loves what He is doing so much that       He won't ever give it up and keeps on keeping on.        Getting back to Adam, I believe that Adam was the first human with a       spirit bearing soul. God created him from the dust of the Earth and       breathed life into Him because God had created him for a special       purpose. Adam was a perfect man. He could not say that bad genes had       caused him to sin. Likewise Eve whom God created from Adam was perfect.       These two were to be the first of mankind to enter into this world with       a God created spirit. All men existing before Adam had a soul, but no       spirit indwelling that soul. This leads me to think that the fall of       Lucifer from Heaven occurred sometime after the sixth day. This I have       reason to believe: that spirits of men are leftover remnants from the       old order that existed in Heaven before Lucifer launched his revolt       against God. As beings who did not take part in that revolt, but       nevertheless of suspect loyalty to God, we could not remain in Heaven       in our old form. We have to be transformed into new creatures before we       are acceptable to God again. This is the purpose of our earthly       existence. God knew that Lucifer and a third of the angels were going       to revolt against him. He also had originally created us as subangelic       beings to assist Lucifer in carrying out his heavenly responsibilities,       before Lucifer got the big head and decided to try to take over God's       position. I wonder if that happened while God was on vacation during       the seventh day. It would be just like old Lucifer to try something       like that.        Anyway, once God decided that we subangelic spiritual beings (see       Hebrews 2:7) could no longer dwell in His heavenly kingdom in our then       spiritual form and He began thinking of ways to change us. He could not       do this at the eternal level because He is constrained by His own       eternal laws at that level. He had to bring us to a temporal level to       accomplish that. Since a suitable vehicle (man) was already in place to       accomplish this objective, God decided to piggyback these spirits into       men's souls. This is why our soul also contains a God created spirit       (see Hebrews 4:12). Adam was the first of these spirit souled men. Had       he not disobeyed God, he would have been permitted to eventually eat of       the tree of life and been transformed into an eternal creature, with       rights to dwell with God forever. Adam and Eve were a special test       case. God knew that if they failed the test, then all men from that       point on would fail this test. They were cast out of the Garden and       forced to live among the other existing humans. From that time on all       human beings have had a spirit bearing soul. How long will this go on?       Probably until heaven is emptied of its condemned subangelic spirits or       until the church on Earth becomes so decadent that so few are getting              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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