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   Sara Braesher to All   
   Bible John gets ready to sit in his own    
   06 Nov 05 06:03:34   
   
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    Bible John   
   New User   
   INTRODUCTION   
      
   I am a born again Christian who chooses to fellowship with the   
   fundamentalist Baptists whom for the most part hold scripture (and not   
   culture) as the authority throughout their churches. I believe that the   
   bible spells the sin of homosexuality out in black and white letters, so   
   that even a mentally handicapped individual can understand. So sad is it   
   that the god of this age has and continues to blind those that are not   
   in the light so that to them a black and white area like homosexuality   
   would turn into a grey area. Donıt get me wrong about the grey areas in   
   the bible, as there are many. And some of the many grey areas are below.   
      
   Day of worship   
   Infant Baptism   
   The Role of Women in Ministry   
   Worship styles   
   Vegetarianism vs. eating meat   
   Pre Trib vs. Post Trib   
      
   But homosexuality the bible very clearly in black and white letters   
   condemns. But sadly homosexuality is a heavily debated issue throughout   
   the contemporary church. The Liberal Christian side (another word for   
   unbelievers) mostly seems to accept homosexuality as well as many other   
   sins. But the strong Bible driven fundamentalist side believes that the   
   bible is quite clear on its teachings of homosexuality. In this debate I   
   will be focusing on a number of bible verses that quite clearly condemn   
   homosexuality and various ways that they are translated using a number   
   of different translations. I do have some knowledge of the original   
   languages (although I admit I am not a scholar) so I can and will show   
   that homosexuality is a sinful act by Gods standards as clearly stated   
   in his written word called the Bible. Throughout my debate I will avoid   
   using any of the liberal paraphrases or liberal dynamic free works so   
   popular amongst the contemporary evangelical church of today. Such   
   translations include the Todayıs New International version and the   
   Message. While these translations are by no means synonymous with those   
   of the cults, they have taken away much of the teachings of the bible on   
   controversial issues in their attempt to be relevant to the culture.   
   This is the tragic translation philosophy behind these modern   
   translations of the bible and behind the ministry philosophy of the   
   contemporary evangelical and charismatic churches throughout Christendom   
   today. So the translations that I may use will be the following.   
      
   New International Version- Most conservative of the Dynamic free works.   
   This translation is not a word for word copy, but merely a thought for   
   thought or concept for concept copy. Unlike the TNIV it does not take   
   away the meanings on the controversial issues.   
   KJV- The oldest and perhaps most popular English translation which is   
   based off the Texus Receptus and Majority Texts.   
   NKJV- A modern translations off the KJV   
   NASB- The most literal English translation from the original languages.   
   This will be my primary translation that I will be referring to in this   
   debate   
   Holmans (HCSB   
   English Standard Version (ESV)   
      
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