Forums before death by AOL, social media and spammers... "We can't have nice things"
|    alt.religion.christian.amish    |    Kickin' it REAL old school...    |    1,739 messages    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
|    Message 761 of 1,739    |
|    hateenvyvermins@yahoo.com to All    |
|    Is Welfare Part of Capitalism? (1/4)    |
|    01 Feb 06 02:25:30    |
      This article is dedicated to:              - A man I met, with most of his body heavily burned, simply because he       was a Chinese during the 1998 May Riot in Indonesia.       - Lots of capitalists that are slaughtered during the cultural       evolution.       - Ten thousands of peaceful smugglers that are massacred in Banda       island by the Dutch for conducting peaceful spice trade and all that       are similar to them.       - All minority groups and individuals that face discrimination, even       genocide, for economically contributing too much for their society.       - All customers that have to pay higher products due to protection of       tariff and trades.       - Productive people that are fined with income tax for the victimless       crime of making honest money.       - Smart students that are slowed down so not to move too fast.       - Industries that do not get subsidy, or even banned to protect       unproductive industry and laborers that earn much less due to such       restrictions.       - Poor starving people that could have been rich had their countries       choose to embrace free market.       - Women and males that are trapped in unhappy marriage which they have       a hard time getting out.       - For women and children that have lots of their best choices taken       under the pretext of protection.       - Immigrants and refuges.              Is welfare part of capitalism?              In short, no. In consensually, punishing the productive through income       tax to reward parasitic behavior is the biggest affront against the       principle of free market. In fact, from many governments intervention       in economy, the one that proponents of free market often oppose the       most is welfare.              However, when we look further, capitalism and welfare is not really       total opposites. Most importantly, properly done, a straight forward       welfare program can cause less market distortion, and hence an       efficient replacement to buy votes from losers, than farm subsidies,       public schools, minimum wage, trades restrictions, tariffs, and sex       laws. If it's done by taxing wealth, rather than income, the amount of       market distortion can be minimized further.              Welfare is also cheap. It'll cost $5000/year to a welfare recipient       in USA, for example. However, we need to remember that the       recipients' lifestyle worth only $500. The other $4500 goes to       implicit welfare due to higher living costs. That implicit welfare       includes minimum wage, immigrations laws, and food subsidy, or       protections.              If somehow a straight forward explicit welfare program can replace all       relatively more evil governments' interventions, then capitalists are       probably better of not opposing welfare so much. Even Milton Friedman       supports schemes called guaranteed minimum income, which is like       welfare but with much less market distortion.              That's not where the similarity ends. One of the main creeds of       capitalism is that consent and competition should be preferred over       force. Without that consent, anyone can simply make us choose to make       our self worst of under the pretext that it is for our own good. In       fact, most laws against consensual acts can be traced down to       protection of some disgruntled competitors often done under the pretext       of the consenting parties' own good.              Anti prostitution and anti polygamy laws, for example, is there to       ration females to poor dumb males under the pretext of protecting the       consenting women. Of course, all natural resources tend to be rationed       somewhat proportional to ones' voting power. And that does explain       why democracy and anti polygamy laws go hand in hand too. One man one       vote soon leads to one man one wife.              Well, at least Matt Ridley agrees with me and he's a well known       mainstream scientific researchers. I guess that's also why so many       uncompetitive people want to ensure that evolution theory is not taught       in school. You can also read a famous psikiatrist book, "The road less       traveled," you'll see that life long monogamous marriage is just a trap       to prevent highly desirable people from being available to those who       they want more, and romance is just the lure to that trap.              On the women side, anti pornography laws is really meant to prevent       highly desirable women from advertising her assets and hence protecting       less pretty women from the higher industry standard a public display of       superior desirability might cause. Countries that embrace porn tend to       have prettier women. Where did all the unsexy ones go? They're all       shifting out of the gene pool, and hence are doing their best to oppose       porn preaching religious doctrines that men should judge women based on       any features but beauty, which they can't offer.              Another issue is consent. Welfare program is not consensual; however,       it's relatively more consensual then civil war. In ancient time, when       we have different ideological opinions, we end up killing each other to       proof who are "right." The Catholic would kill the Gnostic, the       Sunni would kill the Shiah. One King would kill the other. A younger       prince will argue that the older prince is demon. Might makes right.              Such differences of opinions are of course solved with war, which is a       very cost inefficient way to know who're "right." However it does       work in some subjective practical sense. If we look in the past and try       to figure out whether the Gnostic or the Catholic is the one that's       heretical or "right" respectively, we need only to see who won. The       Gnostics are slaughtered, so they must be the heretic, or do they? At       least I bet there are way more people in the world that think that way       than the other way around, excluding me actually.              It doesn't matter how many books many institutionalized religions       burned, how much restrictions of freedom of speech and irrationality       they embraced, how many witnesses they snuffed outs and all other       techniques that would not have stand the scrutiny of a peer reviewed       scientific journal, or even a reasonable jury in the court of law. Too       many people don't believe who are right and reasonable, they believe       who are mighty. Right or wrong, the win will always become right       anyway.              Now, under democratic context, we don't kill those who oppose us,       rather we try to persuade enough people to join our cause. How do we       persuade them? By money of course. Welfare program is then a reasonably       cost efficient method to buy votes.              When too many people are on a side, we will sort of know that going to       war will hurt the other side; hence we comply anyway with the whim of       majority avoiding the costly alternatives. While not ideal, this is       indeed how right and wrong is really decided, proper assessments of       each sides' bargaining position and mutually cherished compromised line              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
(c) 1994, bbs@darkrealms.ca